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      <H1>Developer's Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for
      PostgreSQL</H1>
  
!     <P>Last updated: Wed Sep  6 20:12:13 EDT 2006</P>
  
      <P>Current maintainer: Bruce Momjian (<A href=
      "mailto:bruce@momjian.us">bruce@momjian.us</A>)<BR>
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      <H1>Developer's Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for
      PostgreSQL</H1>
  
!     <P>Last updated: Mon Oct  16 15:24:36 EDT 2006</P>
  
      <P>Current maintainer: Bruce Momjian (<A href=
      "mailto:bruce@momjian.us">bruce@momjian.us</A>)<BR>
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      <H3 id="item1.14">1.14) How are RPMs packaged?</H3>
  
!     <P>This was written by Lamar Owen:</P>
  
!     <P>2001-05-03</P>
! 
!     <P>As to how the RPMs are built -- to answer that question sanely
!     requires me to know how much experience you have with the whole RPM
!     paradigm. 'How is the RPM built?' is a multifaceted question. The
!     obvious simple answer is that I maintain:</P>
  
      <OL>
        <LI>A set of patches to make certain portions of the source tree
        'behave' in the different environment of the RPMset;</LI>
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      <H3 id="item1.14">1.14) How are RPMs packaged?</H3>
  
!     <P>This was written by Lamar Owen and Devrim Gündüz:</P>
  
!     <P>2006-10-16</P>
  
+     <P>
+    As to how the RPMs are built -- to answer that question sanely
+    requires us to know how much experience you have with the whole RPM
+    paradigm. 'How is the RPM built?' is a multifaceted question. The
+    obvious simple answer is that we maintain:</P>
      <OL>
        <LI>A set of patches to make certain portions of the source tree
        'behave' in the different environment of the RPMset;</LI>
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        trivial undertaking in a package of this size.</LI>
      </OL>
  
!     <P>I then download and build on as many different canonical
!     distributions as I can -- currently I am able to build on Red Hat
!     6.2, 7.0, and 7.1 on my personal hardware. Occasionally I receive
!     opportunity from certain commercial enterprises such as Great
!     Bridge and PostgreSQL, Inc. to build on other distributions.</P>
! 
!     <P>I test the build by installing the resulting packages and
!     running the regression tests. Once the build passes these tests, I
!     upload to the postgresql.org ftp server and make a release
!     announcement. I am also responsible for maintaining the RPM
!     download area on the ftp site.</P>
! 
!     <P>You'll notice I said 'canonical' distributions above. That
!     simply means that the machine is as stock 'out of the box' as
!     practical -- that is, everything (except select few programs) on
!     these boxen are installed by RPM; only official Red Hat released
!     RPMs are used (except in unusual circumstances involving software
!     that will not alter the build -- for example, installing a newer
!     non-RedHat version of the Dia diagramming package is OK --
!     installing Python 2.1 on the box that has Python 1.5.2 installed is
!     not, as that alters the PostgreSQL build). The RPM as uploaded is
!     built to as close to out-of-the-box pristine as is possible. Only
!     the standard released 'official to that release' compiler is used
!     -- and only the standard official kernel is used as well.</P>
! 
!     <P>For a time I built on Mandrake for RedHat consumption -- no
!     more. Nonstandard RPM building systems are worse than useless.
!     Which is not to say that Mandrake is useless! By no means is
!     Mandrake useless -- unless you are building Red Hat RPMs -- and Red
!     Hat is useless if you're trying to build Mandrake or SuSE RPMs, for
!     that matter. But I would be foolish to use 'Lamar Owen's Super
!     Special RPM Blend Distro 0.1.2' to build for public consumption!
!     :-)</P>
! 
!     <P>I _do_ attempt to make the _source_ RPM compatible with as many
!     distributions as possible -- however, since I have limited
!     resources (as a volunteer RPM maintainer) I am limited as to the
!     amount of testing said build will get on other distributions,
!     architectures, or systems.</P>
! 
!     <P>And, while I understand people's desire to immediately upgrade
!     to the newest version, realize that I do this as a side interest --
!     I have a regular, full-time job as a broadcast
!     engineer/webmaster/sysadmin/Technical Director which occasionally
!     prevents me from making timely RPM releases. This happened during
!     the early part of the 7.1 beta cycle -- but I believe I was pretty
!     much on the ball for the Release Candidates and the final
!     release.</P>
! 
!     <P>I am working towards a more open RPM distribution -- I would
!     dearly love to more fully document the process and put everything
!     into CVS -- once I figure out how I want to represent things such
!     as the spec file in a CVS form. It makes no sense to maintain a
!     changelog, for instance, in the spec file in CVS when CVS does a
!     better job of changelogs -- I will need to write a tool to generate
!     a real spec file from a CVS spec-source file that would add version
!     numbers, changelog entries, etc to the result before building the
!     RPM. IOW, I need to rethink the process -- and then go through the
!     motions of putting my long RPM history into CVS one version at a
!     time so that version history information isn't lost.</P>
! 
!     <P>As to why all these files aren't part of the source tree, well,
!     unless there was a large cry for it to happen, I don't believe it
!     should. PostgreSQL is very platform-agnostic -- and I like that.
!     Including the RPM stuff as part of the Official Tarball (TM) would,
!     IMHO, slant that agnostic stance in a negative way. But maybe I'm
!     too sensitive to that. I'm not opposed to doing that if that is the
!     consensus of the core group -- and that would be a sneaky way to
!     get the stuff into CVS :-). But if the core group isn't thrilled
!     with the idea (and my instinct says they're not likely to be), I am
!     opposed to the idea -- not to keep the stuff to myself, but to not
!     hinder the platform-neutral stance. IMHO, of course.</P>
  
!     <P>Of course, there are many projects that DO include all the files
!     necessary to build RPMs from their Official Tarball (TM).</P>
  
      <H3 id="item1.15">1.15) How are CVS branches managed?</H3>
  
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        trivial undertaking in a package of this size.</LI>
      </OL>
  
!    <P>PGDG RPM Maintainer builds the SRPM and announces the SRPM to the 
!    pgsqlrpms-hackers list. This is a list where package builders are 
!    subscribed. Then, the builders download the SRPM and rebuild it on their
!    machines.</P> 
! 
!    <P>We try to build on as many different canonical distributions as we can. 
!    Currently we are able to build on Red Hat Linux 9, RHEL 3 and above, 
!    and all Fedora Core Linux releases.</P>
!    
!    <P>To test the binaries, we install them on our local machines and run
!    regression tests. If the package builders uses postgres user to build the
!    rpms, then it is possible to run regression tests during RPM builds.</P>
! 
!    <P>Once the build passes these tests, the binary RPMs are sent back to PGDG 
!    RPM Maintainer and they are pushed to main FTP site, followed by a 
!    release announcement to pgsqlrpms-* lists, pgsql-general and 
!    pgsql-announce lists.</P>
! 
!    <P>You will notice we said 'canonical' distributions above. That simply
!    means that the machine is as stock 'out of the box' as practical --
!    that is, everything (except select few programs) on these boxen are
!    installed by RPM; only official Red Hat released RPMs are used (except
!    in unusual circumstances involving software that will not alter the
!    build -- for example, installing a newer non-RedHat version of the Dia
!    diagramming package is OK -- installing Python 2.1 on the box that has
!    Python 1.5.2 installed is not, as that alters the PostgreSQL build).
!    The RPM as uploaded is built to as close to out-of-the-box pristine as
!    is possible. Only the standard released 'official to that release'
!    compiler is used -- and only the standard official kernel is used as
!    well.</P>
!    
!    <P>PGDG RPM Building Project does not build RPMs for Mandrake .</P>
! 
!    <P>We usually have only one SRPM for all platforms. This is because of our 
!    limited resources. However, on some cases, we may distribute different 
!    SRPMs for different platforms, depending on possible compilation problems,
!    especially on older distros.</P>
!    
!    <P>Please note that this is a volunteered job -- We are doing our best to 
!    keep  packages up to date. We, at least, provide SRPMs for all platforms. 
!    For example, if you do not find a RHEL 4 x86_64 RPM in our FTP site, it 
!    means that we do not have a RHEL 4 x86_64 server around. If you have one 
!    and want to help us, please do not hesitate to build rpms and send to us :-)
!    http://pgfoundry.org/docman/view.php/1000048/98/PostgreSQL-RPM-Installation-PGDG.pdf
!    has some information about building binary RPMs using an SRPM.</P>
! 
!    <P>PGDG RPM Building Project is a hosted on pgFoundry :
!    <a href="http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgsqlrpms">http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgsqlrpms</a>. 
!    We are an open community, except one point : Our pgsqlrpms-hackers list is open 
!    to package builders only. Still, its archives are visible to public. 
!    We use a CVS server to save  the work we have done so far. This includes 
!    spec files and patches; as well as documents.</P>
  
!    <P>As to why all these files aren't part of the source tree, well, unless
!    there was a large cry for it to happen, we don't believe it should.</P>
  
      <H3 id="item1.15">1.15) How are CVS branches managed?</H3>
  
