[GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group Announces Version 7.3 (fwd)

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Wow, this sounds great.

Where can I get a copy? Why would anyone use anything else? ;-)

Well, if you read the announcement in its entirety, you would have
noticed:

"Source for this release is available at:
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/download/
"

*grin*

Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Wow, this sounds great.

Where can I get a copy? Why would anyone use anything else? ;-)

Well, if you read the announcement in its entirety, you would have
noticed:

"Source for this release is available at:
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/download/
"

Oh, good. I will go get it right now. ;-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@hub.org]
Sent: 03 December 2002 19:12
To: Bruce Momjian
Cc: PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
Development Group Announces

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Wow, this sounds great.

Where can I get a copy? Why would anyone use anything else? ;-)

Well, if you read the announcement in its entirety, you would have
noticed:

"Source for this release is available at:
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/download/

I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
anymore?

:-)

Regards, Dave.

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@hub.org]
Sent: 03 December 2002 19:12
To: Bruce Momjian
Cc: PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
Development Group Announces

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Wow, this sounds great.

Where can I get a copy? Why would anyone use anything else? ;-)

Well, if you read the announcement in its entirety, you would have
noticed:

"Source for this release is available at:
http://advocacy.postgresql.org/download/

I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
anymore?

Haven't you been paying attention? There's this new advocacy and suit
marketing thing going on that makes all of that irrelevant. It's just
there for show now.

:)

Vince.
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:

I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
anymore?

Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*

We are looking at some improvements to the download stuff ... Greg(?)
suggested a layout that I really liked for a web based version that would
have to tie into the main mirror database ... one that provided a wee bit
more information then just the directory listings ... but, with that
thought, isn't there a file you can put into an ftp directory that, when
you web into that directory, i gives you the listings with various
comments, or is that just using the .messages file?

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Dave Page wrote:

I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
anymore?

Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*

I understood it was intentional so comments wouldn't have done any good.

We are looking at some improvements to the download stuff ... Greg(?)
suggested a layout that I really liked for a web based version that would
have to tie into the main mirror database ... one that provided a wee bit
more information then just the directory listings ... but, with that
thought, isn't there a file you can put into an ftp directory that, when
you web into that directory, i gives you the listings with various
comments, or is that just using the .messages file?

All of them I've seen had an index.html in it.

Vince.
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Internet radio: It's not file sharing, it's just radio.

Dave Page wrote:
<snip>

I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
anymore?

Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.

The only reason for the download page not having a list of mirrors is
due to not having done it yet.

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

:-)

Regards, Dave.

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Marc G. Fournier writes:

Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*

And how should we have guessed that release management is now done by the
"advocacy" group? While you're out advocating, don't forget the existing
users.

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Peter Eisentraut wrote:

Marc G. Fournier writes:

Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*

And how should we have guessed that release management is now done by the
"advocacy" group? While you're out advocating, don't forget the existing
users.

Sorry Peter.

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

--
"My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those
who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the
first group; there was less competition there."
- Indira Gandhi

Peter Eisentraut wrote:

Justin Clift writes:

Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.

Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly it's not
considered adequate anymore.

Well, qe're trying to move the new "portal" side of things into place
(presently at wwwdevel.postgresql.org), so that all of the different
PostgreSQL pieces are more easily accessible.

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

--
"My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those
who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the
first group; there was less competition there."
- Indira Gandhi

Justin Clift writes:

Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.

Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly it's not
considered adequate anymore.

--
Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Eisentraut [mailto:peter_e@gmx.net]
Sent: 03 December 2002 23:34
To: Justin Clift
Cc: Dave Page; Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
Development Group Announces

Justin Clift writes:

Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to

direct people to

the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more
languages.

Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly
it's not considered adequate anymore.

Strangely I was just thinking the same thing. If all the info is on
advocacy, then what exactly will be left on the main site? Idocs?

I was sort of under the impression that the site reshuffle was happening
in a top down manner anyway - start with the portal, then sort out the
less-immediately-visible lower bits.

I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
thing I need.

Regards, Dave.

Dave Page wrote:
<snip>

Strangely I was just thinking the same thing. If all the info is on
advocacy, then what exactly will be left on the main site? Idocs?

Good point, and worth thinking about then.

I was sort of under the impression that the site reshuffle was happening
in a top down manner anyway - start with the portal, then sort out the
less-immediately-visible lower bits.

I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you should have
been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince :-) - I too
am getting far too much mail these days and another list is the last
thing I need.

Ok then, what do you suggest?

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

Regards, Dave.

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who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the
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-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Clift [mailto:justin@postgresql.org]
Sent: 04 December 2002 10:59
To: Dave Page
Cc: Peter Eisentraut; Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian;
PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global
Development Group Announces

I'll preempt the 'this was all discussed on -advocacy, you

should have

been there' response with yet another agreement with Vince

:-) - I too

am getting far too much mail these days and another list is

the last

thing I need.

Ok then, what do you suggest?

Not sure, but we do need to define the roles of the groups and keep them
seperate as much as possible otherwise some of us are gonna overload.
I'm sure Vince will have something to say about this, but it seems to me
that advocacy should define what the <urgh>marketing</urgh> plan should
be, and should look like, then the www people should implement it.

Having the www people maintaining most sites, then the advocacy people
doing their own thing seperately is a recipe for trouble. Think about
how this would work in a commercial organisation - you would not have
the web team sitting in on all the marketing meetings.

We also have the advantage that our marketing people (== advocacy) are
technically knowledgable and will not make idiots of themselves on a
regular basis by asking us for impossible things - unlike your regular
run-of-the-mill marketing drones :-)

Regards, Dave.

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*

I understood it was intentional so comments wouldn't have done any good.

Anything is only as intentional as nobody making constructive critisms of
it ... ewwww, that was major bad english ... not part of solution, you are
part of problem sort of thing...

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:

Marc G. Fournier writes:

Yup, as with doing anything for the firs ttime, the press release itself
had its 'bugs' ... considering how many times Josh asked for comments on
it, I'm surprised that nobody picked up on it *shrug*

And how should we have guessed that release management is now done by the
"advocacy" group? While you're out advocating, don't forget the existing
users.

It isn't, but those working on -advocacy were asked to help come up with a
stronger release *announcement* then we've had in the past ...

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Justin Clift wrote:

Dave Page wrote:
<snip>

I could have sworn we used to have a bunch of ftp mirrors for downloads.
Come to think of it I rewrote/stole a load of Vince's PHP code to allow
you to select one from the portal recently. Are we not using them
anymore?

Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.

The only reason for the download page not having a list of mirrors is
due to not having done it yet.

So as to not recreate the wheel, or, at least, get the wheel properly
rolling, can we get that download page redirected to the one that does
list the mirrors? :)

I liked Greg(?)'s ideas, but I don't see it as being implemented overnight
:)

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote:

Justin Clift writes:

Of course we are, it's just that we're also trying to direct people to
the Advocacy site where there is a lot more info, in a lot more languages.

Why don't we just shut down the regular web site. Clearly it's not
considered adequate anymore.

As of yet, the new portal isn't ready yet ... and the adequacy of the
existing site isn't so much a problem, but maintainability of it ...
according to Vince, trying to add anything to it is virtually impossible
:(