Call for Google Summer of Code mentors, admins

Hello,

Well i'm interested in PostgreSQL for GSOC, i'm not sure for the project
yet. But i'm looking forward in meeting the mentors and speak with them
what could be implemented over the summer.

Thanks,
Sirbu Nicolae-Cezar

On 14 February 2013 18:02, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

I don't mind being an admin again.

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Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

I am open to being a mentor.

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* Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

I could be a mentor.

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

Will think on this.

Thanks,

Stephen

I forgot to mark all.

I could be a co mentor, helping in overall coordination and supporting all the students in getting familiar with the project and community etc.

Atri

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* Josh Berkus (josh@agliodbs.com) wrote:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

I could be a mentor.

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

Will think on this.

Thanks,

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I forgot to mark all.

I could be a co mentor, helping in overall coordination and supporting all the students in getting familiar with the project and community etc.

Atri

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On 14-Feb-2013, at 23:32, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

- Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
to submit.

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Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com> writes:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

I am open to being a mentor.

Me too.

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Hello,

Can you guys send me a link to a where to start page ?

Thanks,
Sirbu Nicolae-Cezar

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri@2ndquadrant.fr>wrote:

Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@2ndquadrant.com> writes:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

I am open to being a mentor.

Me too.

I'm ready for mentoring too. And I will encourage students in my university
to apply proposals to PostgreSQL.

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On 15.02.2013 14:29, Sîrbu Nicolae-Cezar wrote:

Hello,

Can you guys send me a link to a where to start page ?

Take a look at the Project Ideas page from last year, and the project
TODO list. See http://www.postgresql.org/developer/summerofcode/#ideas.

One approach is to pick a research paper on some algorithm or technique
that's applicable to databases, and then implement that in PostgreSQL.

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Can't we have something related to machine learning? I was thinking of extending a technique where we can fill in some missing values in a data set for the user if he wants us to using some standard ml algorithms.

Atri

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On 15-Feb-2013, at 19:26, Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas@vmware.com> wrote:

On 15.02.2013 14:29, Sîrbu Nicolae-Cezar wrote:

Hello,

Can you guys send me a link to a where to start page ?

Take a look at the Project Ideas page from last year, and the project TODO list. See http://www.postgresql.org/developer/summerofcode/#ideas.

One approach is to pick a research paper on some algorithm or technique that's applicable to databases, and then implement that in PostgreSQL.

- Heikki

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Hello, Josh.

You wrote:

JB> Folks,

JB> Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
JB> we want to participate this year.

JB> Questions:

JB> - Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

JB> - Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

JB> - Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

My suggestion is to rewrite (add) pg_dump and pg_restore utilities as
libraries (.so, .dll & .dylib). For me as a developer it will be a cool
feature. And I can be a mentor for this project of course!

JB> - Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
JB> to submit.

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JB> http://pgexperts.com

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On 02/15/2013 06:03 AM, Atri Sharma wrote:

Can't we have something related to machine learning? I was thinking of extending a technique where we can fill in some missing values in a data set for the user if he wants us to using some standard ml algorithms.

Take a look at MADLib. My suggestion would be extending the MADlib
functions; there's plenty of unimplemented ML algrothims which could be
added to it.

http://madlib.net/

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I would love to mentor if anybody would be willing to take a project in it.

Atri

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On 15-Feb-2013, at 23:04, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

On 02/15/2013 06:03 AM, Atri Sharma wrote:

Can't we have something related to machine learning? I was thinking of extending a technique where we can fill in some missing values in a data set for the user if he wants us to using some standard ml algorithms.

Take a look at MADLib. My suggestion would be extending the MADlib
functions; there's plenty of unimplemented ML algrothims which could be
added to it.

http://madlib.net/

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Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

I am open to being a mentor too.

Saludos,
Gilberto Castillo
La Habana, Cuba

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:02:13AM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

I'd be up for this.

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

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On 2013-02-14 10:02:13 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

pg_upgrade support for debian's pg_upgradecluster

Greetings,

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

Sign me up on that list. Depending on projects, of course.

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Re: Andres Freund 2013-02-18 <20130218213711.GA1005@awork2.anarazel.de>

On 2013-02-14 10:02:13 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

pg_upgrade support for debian's pg_upgradecluster

We'd need Peter to be the student for that one :)
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682938

I can certainly mentor some packaging/QA/web frontend project(s) in
the apt.postgresql.org area.

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

[...]

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

- Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
to submit.

I would like to propose implement a way to track creation times to database
objects. This was discussed before in this thread [1]/messages/by-id/CAFcNs+qMGbLmeUOnjmbna_K7=UP817BPw9QxhbCTGNScPKVoeA@mail.gmail.com.

This was discussed before in this thread [1]/messages/by-id/CAFcNs+qMGbLmeUOnjmbna_K7=UP817BPw9QxhbCTGNScPKVoeA@mail.gmail.com but we don't reach a consensus
of what we'll do, so I propose we discuss any more about it and I can
implement it in GSOC2013, if my proposal will be accepted.

Regards,

[1]: /messages/by-id/CAFcNs+qMGbLmeUOnjmbna_K7=UP817BPw9QxhbCTGNScPKVoeA@mail.gmail.com
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This was discussed before in this thread [1] but we don't reach a consensus
of what we'll do, so I propose we discuss any more about it and I can
implement it in GSOC2013, if my proposal will be accepted.

As a mentor or as a student?

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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

This was discussed before in this thread [1] but we don't reach a

consensus

of what we'll do, so I propose we discuss any more about it and I can
implement it in GSOC2013, if my proposal will be accepted.

As a mentor or as a student?

As a student.

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On 19.02.2013 20:07, Fabrízio de Royes Mello wrote:

I would like to propose implement a way to track creation times to database
objects. This was discussed before in this thread [1].

This was discussed before in this thread [1] but we don't reach a consensus
of what we'll do, so I propose we discuss any more about it and I can
implement it in GSOC2013, if my proposal will be accepted.

I don't think that's a good GSoC project. There's no consensus on what
to do, if anything, so 95% of the work is going to arguing over what we
want, and 5% coding. I'd suggest finding something more well-defined.

- Heikki

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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas@vmware.com

wrote:

On 19.02.2013 20:07, Fabrízio de Royes Mello wrote:

I would like to propose implement a way to track creation times to
database
objects. This was discussed before in this thread [1].

This was discussed before in this thread [1] but we don't reach a
consensus
of what we'll do, so I propose we discuss any more about it and I can
implement it in GSOC2013, if my proposal will be accepted.

I don't think that's a good GSoC project. There's no consensus on what to
do, if anything, so 95% of the work is going to arguing over what we want,
and 5% coding. I'd suggest finding something more well-defined.

You all right about we don't have no consensus on what to do, but maybe
this can be a opportunity to we do that.

I know a lot of people (friends, customers, users, ...) who would love to
have this feature in future versions of PostgreSQL.

Anyway there is another well defined feature which you recommend to a good
GSoC project?

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Take a look at MADLib. My suggestion would be extending the MADlib
functions; there's plenty of unimplemented ML algrothims which could be
added to it.

I went through the MADLib library and came up with the following two
ideas which I feel could be potential GSoC 2013 projects:

1) MADlib currently has K-means clustering implemented.I would suggest
implementing the K-medoids clustering as it has better performance as
compared to K-means clustering.We could use k-means clustering code
base as the starting point for our implementation.

2) A more complex project would be to implement backpropogation
algorithm for much better classification. This would require
implementing some parts of neural network algorithms as well.

Again, I am willing to mentor either of the two projects if they are taken.

Regards,

Atri

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Thom.

I don't mind being an admin again.

Can you gather together all of the projects suggested on this thread and
use them to create updated text for the GSOC page? If you don't have
web repo access, I can create a patch, but if you can do the text, that
would be a big help.

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On 9 March 2013 01:01, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Thom.

I don't mind being an admin again.

Can you gather together all of the projects suggested on this thread and
use them to create updated text for the GSOC page? If you don't have
web repo access, I can create a patch, but if you can do the text, that
would be a big help.

Okay, I've pushed some changes to the repo for 2013 GSoC, and purged
the varnish cache so that it's visible immediately:
http://www.postgresql.org/developer/summerofcode/

I've also created a new GSoC 2013 wiki page with mentor volunteers and
project ideas submitted so far:
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/GSoC_2013

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Thom,

Okay, I've pushed some changes to the repo for 2013 GSoC, and purged
the varnish cache so that it's visible immediately:
http://www.postgresql.org/developer/summerofcode/

I've also created a new GSoC 2013 wiki page with mentor volunteers and
project ideas submitted so far:
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/GSoC_2013

Nice work!

Please change the list of admins on /summerofcode/ to you and me.

I'll see about filling in more details on the suggested projects.

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On 10 March 2013 00:08, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Thom,

Okay, I've pushed some changes to the repo for 2013 GSoC, and purged
the varnish cache so that it's visible immediately:
http://www.postgresql.org/developer/summerofcode/

I've also created a new GSoC 2013 wiki page with mentor volunteers and
project ideas submitted so far:
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/GSoC_2013

Nice work!

Please change the list of admins on /summerofcode/ to you and me.

Done.

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On 14 February 2013 18:02, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

- Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
to submit.

If anyone else has more projects ideas to suggest, please do share.
Students, please feel free to review the PostgreSQL Todo list for
inspiration: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo Of course ensure
you don't choose anything too ambitious or trivial.

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On 19 March 2013 17:42, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 14 February 2013 18:02, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

- Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
to submit.

If anyone else has more projects ideas to suggest, please do share.
Students, please feel free to review the PostgreSQL Todo list for
inspiration: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo Of course ensure
you don't choose anything too ambitious or trivial.

Okay, here's a random idea (which could be infeasible and/or
undesirable). How about a way to internally schedule tasks using a
background worker process (introduced in 9.2) to wake on each tick and
run tasks?

So:

CREATE EXTENSION pg_scheduler;
--
schedule_task(task_command, task_priority, task_start, repeat_interval);

SELECT schedule_task('REINDEX my_table', 1, '2012-03-20
00:10:00'::timestamp, '1 week'::interval);

SELECT list_tasks();

-[ RECORD 1 ]---+-----------------------
task_id | 1
task_command | REINDEX my_table
task_priority | 1
task_start | 2012-03-20 00:10:00-04
repeat_interval | 7 days
owner | postgres

SELECT delete_task(1);

Tasks would be run in sequence if they share the same scheduled time
ordered by priority descending, beyond which it would be
non-deterministic. Or perhaps additional worker processes to fire
commands in parallel if necessary.

Disclaimer: I haven't really thought this through.

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It does sound nice,something like cron?

We can use a scheduling algorithm, and can define a pool of tasks as well as a time constraint for the amount of time which can be used for running the tasks.Then, a scheduling algorithm can pick tasks from the pool based on priorities and the time duration of a task.I can see a dynamic programming solution to this problem.

Atri

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On 20-Mar-2013, at 21:33, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 19 March 2013 17:42, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 14 February 2013 18:02, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

- Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
to submit.

If anyone else has more projects ideas to suggest, please do share.
Students, please feel free to review the PostgreSQL Todo list for
inspiration: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo Of course ensure
you don't choose anything too ambitious or trivial.

Okay, here's a random idea (which could be infeasible and/or
undesirable). How about a way to internally schedule tasks using a
background worker process (introduced in 9.2) to wake on each tick and
run tasks?

So:

CREATE EXTENSION pg_scheduler;
--
schedule_task(task_command, task_priority, task_start, repeat_interval);

SELECT schedule_task('REINDEX my_table', 1, '2012-03-20
00:10:00'::timestamp, '1 week'::interval);

SELECT list_tasks();

-[ RECORD 1 ]---+-----------------------
task_id | 1
task_command | REINDEX my_table
task_priority | 1
task_start | 2012-03-20 00:10:00-04
repeat_interval | 7 days
owner | postgres

SELECT delete_task(1);

Tasks would be run in sequence if they share the same scheduled time
ordered by priority descending, beyond which it would be
non-deterministic. Or perhaps additional worker processes to fire
commands in parallel if necessary.

Disclaimer: I haven't really thought this through.

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Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com> writes:

We can use a scheduling algorithm, and can define a pool of tasks as well as
a time constraint for the amount of time which can be used for running the
tasks.Then, a scheduling algorithm can pick tasks from the pool based on
priorities and the time duration of a task.I can see a dynamic programming
solution to this problem.

I think mcron already implements it all and is made to be embedded into
a larger program.

http://www.gnu.org/software/mcron/

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On Mar 20, 2013 11:14 PM, "Dimitri Fontaine" <dimitri@2ndquadrant.fr> wrote:

Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com> writes:

We can use a scheduling algorithm, and can define a pool of tasks as

well as

a time constraint for the amount of time which can be used for running

the

tasks.Then, a scheduling algorithm can pick tasks from the pool based on
priorities and the time duration of a task.I can see a dynamic

programming

solution to this problem.

I think mcron already implements it all and is made to be embedded into
a larger program.

As long as your larger program is gpl. Not even lgpl on that one. I'd think
that's a killer for that idea...

/Magnus

Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> writes:

I think mcron already implements it all and is made to be embedded into
a larger program.

As long as your larger program is gpl. Not even lgpl on that one. I'd think
that's a killer for that idea...

Oh, are we now talking about including a scheduler in core or contrib?

My understanding was that the background worker infrastructure had been
made in parts so that we don't even have to talk about a scheduler specs
and implementation details on -hackers, where the usual answer is that
we already have a system's scheduler anyways.

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On 20 March 2013 16:03, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 19 March 2013 17:42, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 14 February 2013 18:02, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

- Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
to submit.

If anyone else has more projects ideas to suggest, please do share.
Students, please feel free to review the PostgreSQL Todo list for
inspiration: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Todo Of course ensure
you don't choose anything too ambitious or trivial.

Okay, here's a random idea (which could be infeasible and/or
undesirable). How about a way to internally schedule tasks using a
background worker process (introduced in 9.2) to wake on each tick and
run tasks?

So:

CREATE EXTENSION pg_scheduler;
--
schedule_task(task_command, task_priority, task_start, repeat_interval);

SELECT schedule_task('REINDEX my_table', 1, '2012-03-20
00:10:00'::timestamp, '1 week'::interval);

SELECT list_tasks();

-[ RECORD 1 ]---+-----------------------
task_id | 1
task_command | REINDEX my_table
task_priority | 1
task_start | 2012-03-20 00:10:00-04
repeat_interval | 7 days
owner | postgres

SELECT delete_task(1);

Tasks would be run in sequence if they share the same scheduled time
ordered by priority descending, beyond which it would be
non-deterministic. Or perhaps additional worker processes to fire
commands in parallel if necessary.

Disclaimer: I haven't really thought this through.

Here's some evidence for my last statement: custom background worker
processes are actually being introduced as part of 9.3, not available
in 9.2. I don't think that changes things much though.

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Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com> writes:

We can use a scheduling algorithm, and can define a pool of tasks as
well as
a time constraint for the amount of time which can be used for running
the
tasks.Then, a scheduling algorithm can pick tasks from the pool based on
priorities and the time duration of a task.I can see a dynamic
programming
solution to this problem.

I think mcron already implements it all and is made to be embedded into
a larger program.

http://www.gnu.org/software/mcron/

I wonder if we can add the domain, something like:

SELECT * FROM DOMAINS mydom;

Returns

{"a", "b", "c", "d"}

Their content.

Saludos,
Gilberto Castillo
La Habana, Cuba

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. …

If anyone else has more projects ideas to suggest, please do share.

JDBC driver perhaps…

Recently there's been some work started on an all-new code base for the Postgres JDBC driver. That might provide a nice opportunity for Summer of Code project(s).

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On Mar 22, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Basil Bourque <basil.bourque.lists@pobox.com> wrote:

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. …

If anyone else has more projects ideas to suggest, please do share.

JDBC driver perhaps…

Recently there's been some work started on an all-new code base for the Postgres JDBC driver.

Unrelated to SOC I may be able to help with that particular project in my meager free time. Would you kindly send me a link to this? I didn't see anything on the old jdbc driver's site.

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Hi,

I've been asked by a local student to be his mentor in GSoC. He is
interested in working on parallelizing hash join/aggregation.

So I'd like to volunteer to be a mentor for this project (if it gets
accepted).

I've asked him to post his project proposal on pgsql-students.

kind regards
Tomas

On 14.2.2013 19:02, Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

- Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
to submit.

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Was PostgreSQL accepted?

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Folks,

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. We need to assess whether
we want to participate this year.

Questions:

- Who wants to mentor for GSOC?

- Who can admin for GSOC? Thom?

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

- Students seeing this -- please speak up if you have projects you plan
to submit.

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Hi,

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:56 -0700, Selena Deckelmann wrote:

Was PostgreSQL accepted?

Looks like no, if I am not missing something:

http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013

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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:56 -0700, Selena Deckelmann wrote:

Was PostgreSQL accepted?

Looks like no, if I am not missing something:

http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013

Orgs only show up in that list after the Admins accept the acceptance, if
that makes sense. ;)

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On 8 April 2013 22:01, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:56 -0700, Selena Deckelmann wrote:

Was PostgreSQL accepted?

Looks like no, if I am not missing something:

http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013

That list isn't accurate as it only reflects those projects that have
been accepted and have also completed their profile information. We
haven't done that just yet.

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Just reading GSoC project ideas...

On 18 February 2013 17:12, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

UPDATE ... RETURNING OLD

Not sure what that is, but...

Add RETURNING to DDL (CREATE, ALTER, DROP) and possible DCL (GRANT,
REVOKE), time permitting.

-1 on that idea

Making DDL less standard and more complex isn't good.

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On 8 April 2013 22:06, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:01, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:56 -0700, Selena Deckelmann wrote:

Was PostgreSQL accepted?

Looks like no, if I am not missing something:

http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013

That list isn't accurate as it only reflects those projects that have
been accepted and have also completed their profile information. We
haven't done that just yet.

And to be explicit, yes, PostgreSQL has been accepted.

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Simon Riggs wrote:

On 18 February 2013 17:12, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:

Add RETURNING to DDL (CREATE, ALTER, DROP) and possible DCL (GRANT,
REVOKE), time permitting.

-1 on that idea

Making DDL less standard and more complex isn't good.

I think this need is served by having event triggers on DDL and DCL.
Not sure whether improving event triggers can be a good GSoC proposal.

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On 8 April 2013 22:07, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:06, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:01, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:56 -0700, Selena Deckelmann wrote:

Was PostgreSQL accepted?

Looks like no, if I am not missing something:

http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013

That list isn't accurate as it only reflects those projects that have
been accepted and have also completed their profile information. We
haven't done that just yet.

And to be explicit, yes, PostgreSQL has been accepted.

I've just completed the profile, and we now appear on the list on that page.

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On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 10:06:58PM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote:

Just reading GSoC project ideas...
On 18 February 2013 17:12, David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:

- Please suggest project ideas for GSOC

UPDATE ... RETURNING OLD

Not sure what that is, but...

Perhaps asking would help :)

At the moment, we have a system where only some DML commands return
rows, and then only sometimes, to wit:

- SELECT generally returns rows.
- INSERT can return expressions on the rows inserted with a RETURNING
clause.
- UPDATE ... RETURNING can return expressions on new versions of the
rows affected, but not the old ones.
- DELETE can return expressions on the rows deleted.

Of the above, only SELECT can return aggregates.

There are several more DML operations with odd inability to return
rows, but UPDATE's the one that really stands out, and is a bite-sized
chunk in the sense of having a relatively small scope of design and
not touching parts of the system unless they use the new grammar.

Add RETURNING to DDL (CREATE, ALTER, DROP) and possible DCL (GRANT,
REVOKE), time permitting.

-1 on that idea

Making DDL less standard and more complex isn't good.

Sometimes implementations lead the standard, as POSTGRES did. In no
case have I proposed anything which would conflict with any existing
or (to the best of my knowledge) any proposed standard.

Would a PoC implementation with docs help get better lights on this?

Cheers,
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On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Thom Brown wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:07, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:06, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:01, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:56 -0700, Selena Deckelmann wrote:

Was PostgreSQL accepted?

Looks like no, if I am not missing something:

http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013

That list isn't accurate as it only reflects those projects that have
been accepted and have also completed their profile information. We
haven't done that just yet.

And to be explicit, yes, PostgreSQL has been accepted.

I've just completed the profile, and we now appear on the list on that page.

Looks good! I would suggested adding "postgres" or "postgresql" as one of the tags as I tried searching that way and the actual "PostgresSQL Project" did not turn up.

Jonathan

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David Fetter <david@fetter.org> writes:

UPDATE ... RETURNING OLD

There are several more DML operations with odd inability to return
rows, but UPDATE's the one that really stands out, and is a bite-sized
chunk in the sense of having a relatively small scope of design and
not touching parts of the system unless they use the new grammar.

Which makes me think about having OLD and NEW "relations" available in
per statement triggers, too. Would that be a SoC sized projects? Maybe
if the relation is simply a SRF…

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On 8 April 2013 22:38, Jonathan S. Katz <jonathan.katz@excoventures.com> wrote:

On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Thom Brown wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:07, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:06, Thom Brown <thom@linux.com> wrote:

On 8 April 2013 22:01, Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim@gunduz.org> wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:56 -0700, Selena Deckelmann wrote:

Was PostgreSQL accepted?

Looks like no, if I am not missing something:

http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013

That list isn't accurate as it only reflects those projects that have
been accepted and have also completed their profile information. We
haven't done that just yet.

And to be explicit, yes, PostgreSQL has been accepted.

I've just completed the profile, and we now appear on the list on that page.

Looks good! I would suggested adding "postgres" or "postgresql" as one of the tags as I tried searching that way and the actual "PostgresSQL Project" did not turn up.

Done. Thanks.

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On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 10:22:20AM +0200, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:

David Fetter <david@fetter.org> writes:

UPDATE ... RETURNING OLD

There are several more DML operations with odd inability to return
rows, but UPDATE's the one that really stands out, and is a bite-sized
chunk in the sense of having a relatively small scope of design and
not touching parts of the system unless they use the new grammar.

Which makes me think about having OLD and NEW "relations" available in
per statement triggers, too. Would that be a SoC sized projects? Maybe
if the relation is simply a SRF…

Are you envisioning this as a common infrastructure to both?

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David Fetter <david@fetter.org> writes:

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 10:22:20AM +0200, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:

David Fetter <david@fetter.org> writes:

UPDATE ... RETURNING OLD

There are several more DML operations with odd inability to return
rows, but UPDATE's the one that really stands out, and is a bite-sized
chunk in the sense of having a relatively small scope of design and
not touching parts of the system unless they use the new grammar.

Which makes me think about having OLD and NEW "relations" available in
per statement triggers, too. Would that be a SoC sized projects? Maybe
if the relation is simply a SRF…

Are you envisioning this as a common infrastructure to both?

I don't think so. Would happily be proven wrong, though :)

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David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote:

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 10:22:20AM +0200, Dimitri Fontaine wrote:

David Fetter <david@fetter.org> writes:

UPDATE ... RETURNING OLD

There are several more DML operations with odd inability to
return rows, but UPDATE's the one that really stands out, and
is a bite-sized chunk in the sense of having a relatively small
scope of design and not touching parts of the system unless
they use the new grammar.

Which makes me think about having OLD and NEW "relations"
available in per statement triggers, too. Would that be a SoC
sized projects? Maybe if the relation is simply a SRF…

Are you envisioning this as a common infrastructure to both?

This may also wind up sharing some infrastructure with incremental
mainenance of materialized views.  The most efficient and provably
correct optimization of that I've found in the literature[1]  http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=170066&amp;dl=ACM&amp;coll=DL&amp;CFID=202507837&amp;CFTOKEN=96875563 seems
to me to require the ability to accumulate "delta relations", and
it has been occuring to me how easy it would be to use a delta
relation for a statement to supply the OLD and NEW relations for an
FOR EACH STATEMENT trigger.

I don't really want to get into a design discussion about
incremental maintenance of matviews at this time, but felt that I
should give a "heads up" about potentially overlapping work.

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[1]:   http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=170066&amp;dl=ACM&amp;coll=DL&amp;CFID=202507837&amp;CFTOKEN=96875563

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Regarding possible JDBC driver project…

Once again, Google is holding Summer of Code. …

If anyone else has more projects ideas to suggest, please do share.

JDBC driver perhaps…

Recently there's been some work started on an all-new code base for the Postgres JDBC driver.

Unrelated to SOC I may be able to help with that particular project in my meager free time. Would you kindly send me a link to this? I didn't see anything on the old jdbc driver's site.

Nik Everett

See discussion in the Postgres JDBC ("pgsql-jdbc") mail list:
pgsql-jdbc@postgresql.org

http://jdbc.postgresql.org/lists.html

https://lists.postgresql.org/mj/mj_wwwusr?user=&amp;passw=&amp;func=lists-long-full&amp;extra=pgsql-jdbc

Yesterday (April 8, 2013) Kevin Wooten posted an progress report on the work being done for a new next-generation JDBC driver.

Code available on GitHub.
https://github.com/kdubb/pgjdbc-ng

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