New competition from Microsoft?

On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote:

http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248

Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people
using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're
picking up a lot of our better features, like R support.

IANAL, but I wonder how they can have R support given that libR.so is
GPL licensed, not LPGL? Have they open sourced SQL Server?

;-P

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* Joe Conway (mail@joeconway.com) wrote:

On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote:

http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248

Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people
using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're
picking up a lot of our better features, like R support.

IANAL, but I wonder how they can have R support given that libR.so is
GPL licensed, not LPGL? Have they open sourced SQL Server?

I thought they had purchased/partnered with an R implementor that didn't
use the GPL one...

Thanks!

Stephen

On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote:

All,

http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248

Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people
using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're
picking up a lot of our better features, like R support.

Yes but:

1. MSSQL is not going to magically run well on Linux. It was never
designed to run on a *NIX platform and it long left the parts that would
(Sybase) in the dust.

2. This is actually good for us. It validates our primary deployment
platform. Why run a closed source MSSQL when you can get Open Source
PostgreSQL on the same platform major platform?

3. Competition is good when we have it, our community steps up.

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On 03/07/2016 02:26 PM, Stephen Frost wrote:

* Joe Conway (mail@joeconway.com) wrote:

On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote:

http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248

Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people
using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're
picking up a lot of our better features, like R support.

IANAL, but I wonder how they can have R support given that libR.so is
GPL licensed, not LPGL? Have they open sourced SQL Server?

I thought they had purchased/partnered with an R implementor that didn't
use the GPL one...

Microsoft bought Revolution R, but that implementation is still GPL --
it has to be because it is derived from the open source R project which
is GPL.

Anyway, shouldn't we move this to advocacy?

Joe

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Microsoft is only trying to raise some awareness for their new ASP.NET 5 multi-platform, which works closely with MSSQL. I don't believe they are honestly interested in the *NIX user. They extend their userbase in the hope to get them onto Azure.

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On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote:

All,

http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248

Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people
using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're
picking up a lot of our better features, like R support.

Yes but:

1. MSSQL is not going to magically run well on Linux. It was never designed to run on a *NIX platform and it long left the parts that would
(Sybase) in the dust.

2. This is actually good for us. It validates our primary deployment platform. Why run a closed source MSSQL when you can get Open Source PostgreSQL on the same platform major platform?

3. Competition is good when we have it, our community steps up.

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On 07/03/16 23:32, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote:

All,

http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248

Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people
using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're
picking up a lot of our better features, like R support.

Yes but:

1. MSSQL is not going to magically run well on Linux. It was never
designed to run on a *NIX platform and it long left the parts that
would (Sybase) in the dust.

I'd be surprised if it would *not* run well on Linux. Linux is an
easy platform to develop, it's fast and reliable and they have plenty of
time (till release).

2. This is actually good for us. It validates our primary deployment
platform. Why run a closed source MSSQL when you can get Open Source
PostgreSQL on the same platform major platform?

SQL Server seems to have some nice features that PostgreSQL don't
have. Encryption support and Hekaton (columnar-store "shared buffers")
come to my mind. It's definitely not a toy database, even less on Linux.

3. Competition is good when we have it, our community steps up.

Absolutely, competition is very welcome!

Álvaro

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On 03/07/2016 01:43 PM, Josh berkus wrote:

All,

http://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=67248

Once SQL Server is available on Linux, we're going to see more people
using it as an alternative to PostgreSQL. Especially since they're
picking up a lot of our better features, like R support.

Sorry, that was meant to be posted to pgsql-advocacy.

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