allow to \dtS+ pg_toast.*

On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 10:54 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

This makes toast tables a bit less special and easier to inspect.

postgres=# \dtS+ pg_toast.pg_toast_2619
pg_toast | pg_toast_2619 | toast table | pryzbyj | permanent | heap | 56 kB |

This follows commit from last year:
| eb5472da9 make \d pg_toast.foo show its indices ; and, \d toast show its main table

This would indeed be convenient.

The patch passes regression tests.

While playing around with it, I found the following oddity:

regression=# \dtS+ pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
List of relations
Schema | Name | Type | Owner | Persistence | Access Method | Size | Description
----------+----------------+-------------+---------+-------------+---------------+---------+-------------
pg_toast | pg_toast_30701 | toast table | laurenz | permanent | heap | 0 bytes |
(1 row)

regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
List of relations
Schema | Name | Type | Owner
----------+----------------+-------------+---------
pg_toast | pg_toast_30701 | toast table | laurenz
(1 row)

regression=# \dt pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
Did not find any relation named "pg_toast.pg_toast_30701".

Now this doesn't seem right. To my understanding, \dtS should do the same as \dt,
except that it should also search in "pg_catalog" if no schema was provided.

Another thing that is missing is tab completion for

regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_

This should work just like for \d and \dS.

Both of these effects can also be observed with \di and toast indexes.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe

Thanks for looking

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:16:52PM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote:

On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 10:54 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

This makes toast tables a bit less special and easier to inspect.

postgres=# \dtS+ pg_toast.pg_toast_2619
pg_toast | pg_toast_2619 | toast table | pryzbyj | permanent | heap | 56 kB |

This follows commit from last year:
| eb5472da9 make \d pg_toast.foo show its indices ; and, \d toast show its main table

This would indeed be convenient.

While playing around with it, I found the following oddity:

regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
pg_toast | pg_toast_30701 | toast table | laurenz

regression=# \dt pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
Did not find any relation named "pg_toast.pg_toast_30701".

Now this doesn't seem right. To my understanding, \dtS should do the same as \dt,
except that it should also search in "pg_catalog" if no schema was provided.

You mean that if pg_toast.* should be shown if a matching "pattern" is given,
even if "S" was not used. I think you're right. The behavior I implemented
was intended to provide a bit of historic compatibility towards hiding toast
tables, but I think it's not needed, since they're not shown anyway unless
someone includes "S", specifies the "pg_toast." schema, or pg_toast is in their
search path. See attached.

Another thing that is missing is tab completion for
regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_
This should work just like for \d and \dS.

Tom objected to this in the past, humorously to me:

/messages/by-id/14255.1536781029@sss.pgh.pa.us

On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 00:58 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:16:52PM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote:

On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 10:54 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

This makes toast tables a bit less special and easier to inspect.

postgres=# \dtS+ pg_toast.pg_toast_2619
pg_toast | pg_toast_2619 | toast table | pryzbyj | permanent | heap | 56 kB |

This follows commit from last year:
| eb5472da9 make \d pg_toast.foo show its indices ; and, \d toast show its main table

This would indeed be convenient.

While playing around with it, I found the following oddity:

regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
pg_toast | pg_toast_30701 | toast table | laurenz

regression=# \dt pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
Did not find any relation named "pg_toast.pg_toast_30701".

Now this doesn't seem right. To my understanding, \dtS should do the same as \dt,
except that it should also search in "pg_catalog" if no schema was provided.

You mean that if pg_toast.* should be shown if a matching "pattern" is given,
even if "S" was not used. I think you're right. The behavior I implemented
was intended to provide a bit of historic compatibility towards hiding toast
tables, but I think it's not needed, since they're not shown anyway unless
someone includes "S", specifies the "pg_toast." schema, or pg_toast is in their
search path. See attached.

Yes, exactly.

I wonder why the modification in "listPartitionedTables" is necessary.
Surely there cannot be any partitioned toast tables, can there?

Another thing that is missing is tab completion for
regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_
This should work just like for \d and \dS.

Tom objected to this in the past, humorously to me:

/messages/by-id/14255.1536781029@sss.pgh.pa.us

That was about VACUUM and ANALYZE, and I certainly see the point
that this is not a frequent enough use case to warrant guiding
people there with tab completion.

But I don't take that as an argument against tab completion in our case.
If I want to know how big the TOAST table of relation 87654 is,
I think it is convenient if I can tab to

\dt+ pg_toast.pg_toast_

If you want to abolish special treatment for TOAST tables in \dt(S),
go all the way.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 12:43:07PM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote:

On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 00:58 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:16:52PM +0100, Laurenz Albe wrote:

On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 10:54 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

This makes toast tables a bit less special and easier to inspect.

postgres=# \dtS+ pg_toast.pg_toast_2619
pg_toast | pg_toast_2619 | toast table | pryzbyj | permanent | heap | 56 kB |

This follows commit from last year:
| eb5472da9 make \d pg_toast.foo show its indices ; and, \d toast show its main table

This would indeed be convenient.

While playing around with it, I found the following oddity:

regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
pg_toast | pg_toast_30701 | toast table | laurenz

regression=# \dt pg_toast.pg_toast_30701
Did not find any relation named "pg_toast.pg_toast_30701".

Now this doesn't seem right. To my understanding, \dtS should do the same as \dt,
except that it should also search in "pg_catalog" if no schema was provided.

You mean that if pg_toast.* should be shown if a matching "pattern" is given,
even if "S" was not used. I think you're right. The behavior I implemented
was intended to provide a bit of historic compatibility towards hiding toast
tables, but I think it's not needed, since they're not shown anyway unless
someone includes "S", specifies the "pg_toast." schema, or pg_toast is in their
search path. See attached.

Yes, exactly.

I wonder why the modification in "listPartitionedTables" is necessary.
Surely there cannot be any partitioned toast tables, can there?

The comment should be removed for consistency.
And I changed the code for consistency with listTables (from which I assume
listPartitionedTables was derived - I was involved in the last stages of that
patch). It doesn't need to exclude pg_catalog or information_schema, either,
but it's kept the same for consistency. That part could also be removed.

Another thing that is missing is tab completion for
regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_
This should work just like for \d and \dS.

..

If I want to know how big the TOAST table of relation 87654 is,
I think it is convenient if I can tab to

\dt+ pg_toast.pg_toast_

I agree that it's nice to complete the schema name, but I'm still not convinced
this part should be included.

The way to include pg_toast.pg_toast is if toast relations are included, which
is exactly what Tom pointed out is usually unhelpful. If you include toast
relations, tab completion might give "pg_toast.pg_toast_14..." when you wanted
to paste "145678" - you'd need to remove the common suffix that it found.

I considered whether "toast table" should be capitalized (as it is for "\d")
but I think it should stay lowercase.

--
Justin

On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 11:33 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

This makes toast tables a bit less special and easier to inspect.

I wonder why the modification in "listPartitionedTables" is necessary.
Surely there cannot be any partitioned toast tables, can there?

The comment should be removed for consistency.
And I changed the code for consistency with listTables (from which I assume
listPartitionedTables was derived - I was involved in the last stages of that
patch). It doesn't need to exclude pg_catalog or information_schema, either,
but it's kept the same for consistency. That part could also be removed.

I don't think that consistency with "listTables" is particularly useful here,
but I think this is somewhat academic.

I'll leave that for the committer to decide.

Another thing that is missing is tab completion for
regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_
This should work just like for \d and \dS.

I agree that it's nice to complete the schema name, but I'm still not convinced
this part should be included.

The way to include pg_toast.pg_toast is if toast relations are included, which
is exactly what Tom pointed out is usually unhelpful. If you include toast
relations, tab completion might give "pg_toast.pg_toast_14..." when you wanted
to paste "145678" - you'd need to remove the common suffix that it found.

Again a judgement call. I am happy with the way the latest patch does it.

I considered whether "toast table" should be capitalized (as it is for "\d")
but I think it should stay lowercase.

Then you should also change the way \d does it (upper case).
I think we should be consistent.

I'd use TOAST for both to create no unnecessary change in \d output.

Anyway, I think that this is ready for committer and will mark it as such.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe

Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at> writes:

On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 11:33 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

This makes toast tables a bit less special and easier to inspect.

Pushed, except for

Another thing that is missing is tab completion for
regression=# \dtS pg_toast.pg_
This should work just like for \d and \dS.

I agree that it's nice to complete the schema name, but I'm still not convinced
this part should be included.

Again a judgement call. I am happy with the way the latest patch does it.

I remain pretty much against including toast tables in tab completion,
so I left out that part.

I considered whether "toast table" should be capitalized (as it is for "\d")
but I think it should stay lowercase.

Then you should also change the way \d does it (upper case).
I think we should be consistent.

I think capitalized TOAST is correct, because it's an acronym.
I also agree that consistency with what \d shows is important,
and I have no desire to change \d's longstanding output.

regards, tom lane

On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 06:46:01PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:

Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at> writes:

On Fri, 2020-12-18 at 11:33 -0600, Justin Pryzby wrote:

This makes toast tables a bit less special and easier to inspect.

Pushed, except for

Thank you

--
Justin