CREATE TABLE fails

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#1Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com

Hi, ALL,

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Thank you.

#2Christoph Moench-Tegeder
cmt@burggraben.net
In reply to: Igor Korot (#1)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

## Igor Korot (ikorot01@gmail.com):

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

It's available as a TABLE storage parameter, but you put it on the index
definition (where it's not valid) - this could be a conceptual mistake
or a misplaced right parenthesis.
See the example on your linked page:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS:~:text=fill%20factor%20for%20both%20the%20table%20and%20its%20unique%20index

Regards,
Christoph

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#3Ron
ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#1)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:10 PM Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, ALL,

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Probably "= on", since this does work:
ALTER TABLE foo SET (autovacuum_enabled = off);
ALTER TABLE foo SET (autovacuum_enabled = on);

This raises the question "why are you explicitly
enabling autovacuum_enabled in the CREATE TABLE statement?", since
autovavuum should be globally enabled.

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#4Ron
ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com
In reply to: Christoph Moench-Tegeder (#2)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:29 PM Christoph Moench-Tegeder <cmt@burggraben.net>
wrote:
[snip]

or a misplaced right parenthesis.

That's why structured indentation and column-alignment are so useful!! 😀

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#5Sahul Hameed
mail2shameed@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#1)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

The problem is that you're putting the WITH clause on the PRIMARY KEY
constraint, which applies to the index, not the table.

CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint,scoringtype smallint,roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5),salary integer,benchplayers smallint,primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype)) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled = true );

--Sahul

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 10:10 PM Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi, ALL,

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Thank you.

#6Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#1)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

Ray,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 5:26 PM Ray O'Donnell <ray@rodonnell.ie> wrote:

Probably a silly question, but are you actually using version 16?

Yes, I am.

Thank you.

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Apologies for top-post.... phone app.

Ray.

On 8 March 2026 22:10:31 Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, ALL,

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Thank you.

#7Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: Christoph Moench-Tegeder (#2)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

Christoph,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 5:29 PM Christoph Moench-Tegeder
<cmt@burggraben.net> wrote:

## Igor Korot (ikorot01@gmail.com):

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

It's available as a TABLE storage parameter, but you put it on the index
definition (where it's not valid) - this could be a conceptual mistake
or a misplaced right parenthesis.
See the example on your linked page:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS:~:text=fill%20factor%20for%20both%20the%20table%20and%20its%20unique%20index

Please check the PRIMARY KEY clause on that same linked page.
It says "Storage Parameters" are definitely supported there.

Thank you.

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Regards,
Christoph

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#8Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: Ron (#3)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

Ron,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 5:30 PM Ron Johnson <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:10 PM Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, ALL,

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Probably "= on", since this does work:
ALTER TABLE foo SET (autovacuum_enabled = off);
ALTER TABLE foo SET (autovacuum_enabled = on);

This raises the question "why are you explicitly enabling autovacuum_enabled in the CREATE TABLE statement?", since autovavuum should be globally enabled.

Still the same:

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled = on ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
draft=#
[/quote]

Thank you,

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#9Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: Sahul Hameed (#5)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

Sahul,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 5:40 PM Sahul Hameed <mail2shameed@gmail.com> wrote:

The problem is that you're putting the WITH clause on the PRIMARY KEY constraint, which applies to the index, not the table.

CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint,scoringtype smallint,roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5),salary integer,benchplayers smallint,primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype)) WITH( fillfactor = 50, autovacuum_enabled = true );

This definitely is supported for the PRIMARY KEY constraint.
Just remove the faulty clause and leave only "fillfactor" one...

Thank you.

Show quoted text

--Sahul

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 10:10 PM Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, ALL,

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Thank you.

#10David G. Johnston
david.g.johnston@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#8)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#

SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS

says it's available.

What am I missing?

Those are table storage parameters.

primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled = on ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
draft=#

You are specifying index storage parameters here.

The first paragraph of your linked section says:

“Storage parameters for indexes are documented in CREATE INDEX
<https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createindex.html&gt;.”

You will find autovacuum_enabled is not listed there. Because you can’t
vacuum an index separately from its table.

David J.

#11Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#9)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

For the reference (from the same page):

[quote]
WITH ( storage_parameter [= value] [, ... ] )

This clause specifies optional storage parameters for a table or
index; see Storage Parameters below for more information. For
backward-compatibility the WITH clause for a table can also include
OIDS=FALSE to specify that rows of the new table should not contain
OIDs (object identifiers), OIDS=TRUE is not supported anymore.

[/quote]

So the "WITH " clause is definitely available for indexes.

Thank you.

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On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:32 PM Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

Sahul,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 5:40 PM Sahul Hameed <mail2shameed@gmail.com> wrote:

The problem is that you're putting the WITH clause on the PRIMARY KEY constraint, which applies to the index, not the table.

CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint,scoringtype smallint,roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5),salary integer,benchplayers smallint,primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype)) WITH( fillfactor = 50, autovacuum_enabled = true );

This definitely is supported for the PRIMARY KEY constraint.
Just remove the faulty clause and leave only "fillfactor" one...

Thank you.

--Sahul

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 10:10 PM Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, ALL,

[quote]
draft=# CREATE TABLE leagues_new(id serial, name varchar(100),
drafttype smallint, scoringtype smallint, roundvalues smallint,
leaguetype char(5), salary integer, benchplayers smallint, primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
[/quote]

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Thank you.

#12Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: David G. Johnston (#10)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

David,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:37 PM David G. Johnston
<david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Those are table storage parameters.

primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled = on ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
draft=#

You are specifying index storage parameters here.

The first paragraph of your linked section says:

“Storage parameters for indexes are documented in CREATE INDEX.”

You will find autovacuum_enabled is not listed there. Because you can’t vacuum an index separately from its table.

So I will have to compare the CREATE INDEX page with this one and
figure out which one is supported where?

Thank you.

Show quoted text

David J.

#13Ron
ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#12)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 7:41 PM Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:37 PM David G. Johnston
<david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

But the page at

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS

says it's available.

What am I missing?

Those are table storage parameters.

primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled = on ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
draft=#

You are specifying index storage parameters here.

The first paragraph of your linked section says:

“Storage parameters for indexes are documented in CREATE INDEX.”

You will find autovacuum_enabled is not listed there. Because you can’t

vacuum an index separately from its table.

So I will have to compare the CREATE INDEX page with this one and
figure out which one is supported where?

Well, *yes*. Why should you be shocked that some storage parameters just
aren't relevant to indices.

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#14David G. Johnston
david.g.johnston@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#11)

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

So the "WITH " clause is definitely available for indexes.

Yeah, given you aren’t getting a syntax error all this advice to change the
syntax is wrong. Though assuming you meant to apply it to the table was at
least reasonable given the lack of confirmed intent statement for what the
command should be doing.

David J.

#15Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: Ron (#13)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

Ron,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:48 PM Ron Johnson <ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 7:41 PM Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:37 PM David G. Johnston
<david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

But the page at
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS
says it's available.

What am I missing?

Those are table storage parameters.

primary
key(id) INCLUDE (drafttype, scoringtype) WITH( fillfactor = 50,
autovacuum_enabled = on ));
ERROR: unrecognized parameter "autovacuum_enabled"
draft=#

You are specifying index storage parameters here.

The first paragraph of your linked section says:

“Storage parameters for indexes are documented in CREATE INDEX.”

You will find autovacuum_enabled is not listed there. Because you can’t vacuum an index separately from its table.

So I will have to compare the CREATE INDEX page with this one and
figure out which one is supported where?

Well, yes. Why should you be shocked that some storage parameters just aren't relevant to indices.

I am, because they are documented as such according to the note
I mentioned in the email above, quoting the "WITH " clause explanation.

Thank you.

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#16Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: David G. Johnston (#14)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

David,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:49 PM David G. Johnston
<david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

So the "WITH " clause is definitely available for indexes.

Yeah, given you aren’t getting a syntax error all this advice to change the syntax is wrong. Though assuming you meant to apply it to the table was at least reasonable given the lack of confirmed intent statement for what the command should be doing.

Thanks.
It is a little confusing how it is written in the docs.

But I'm not sure how to explain it better. ;-)

Show quoted text

David J.

#17David G. Johnston
david.g.johnston@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#16)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:49 PM David G. Johnston
<david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

So the "WITH " clause is definitely available for indexes.

Yeah, given you aren’t getting a syntax error all this advice to change

the syntax is wrong. Though assuming you meant to apply it to the table
was at least reasonable given the lack of confirmed intent statement for
what the command should be doing.

Thanks.
It is a little confusing how it is written in the docs.

But I'm not sure how to explain it better. ;-)

Yeah, using the same term for two separate things isn’t ideal. Using
table_storage_parameters and index_storage_parameters separately, and
directly pointing the later to the create index page, would probably be
better than an overlookable single sentence in the big storage parameters
paragraph.

David J.

#18Igor Korot
ikorot01@gmail.com
In reply to: David G. Johnston (#17)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

David,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 5:04 PM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:49 PM David G. Johnston
<david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

So the "WITH " clause is definitely available for indexes.

Yeah, given you aren’t getting a syntax error all this advice to change

the syntax is wrong. Though assuming you meant to apply it to the table
was at least reasonable given the lack of confirmed intent statement for
what the command should be doing.

Thanks.
It is a little confusing how it is written in the docs.

But I'm not sure how to explain it better. ;-)

Yeah, using the same term for two separate things isn’t ideal. Using
table_storage_parameters and index_storage_parameters separately, and
directly pointing the later to the create index page, would probably be
better than an overlookable single sentence in the big storage parameters
paragraph.

I am not sure. But looking at the docs I point to it’s confusing.

It doesn’t say that they are documented in CREATE INDEX.

Maybe just add something like:

“Those storage parameters are for table only. If you need ones for index -
check CREATE INDEX page.”

Maybe put that where the WITH clause is explained.

This emphasizes the difference between them.

What do you think?

Thank you.

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David J.

#19David G. Johnston
david.g.johnston@gmail.com
In reply to: David G. Johnston (#17)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 5:04 PM David G. Johnston <david.g.johnston@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 6:49 PM David G. Johnston
<david.g.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2026, Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> wrote:

So the "WITH " clause is definitely available for indexes.

Yeah, given you aren’t getting a syntax error all this advice to change

the syntax is wrong. Though assuming you meant to apply it to the table
was at least reasonable given the lack of confirmed intent statement for
what the command should be doing.

Thanks.
It is a little confusing how it is written in the docs.

But I'm not sure how to explain it better. ;-)

Yeah, using the same term for two separate things isn’t ideal. Using
table_storage_parameters and index_storage_parameters separately, and
directly pointing the later to the create index page, would probably be
better than an overlookable single sentence in the big storage parameters
paragraph.

Concretely (will send to -hackers later if needed):

diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/ref/create_index.sgml
b/doc/src/sgml/ref/create_index.sgml
index bb7505d171b..d50c71c0a11 100644
--- a/doc/src/sgml/ref/create_index.sgml
+++ b/doc/src/sgml/ref/create_index.sgml

For consistency with the changes made in create table.

@@ -25,7 +25,7 @@ CREATE [ UNIQUE ] INDEX [ CONCURRENTLY ] [ [ IF NOT
EXISTS ] <replaceable class=
( { <replaceable class="parameter">column_name</replaceable> | (
<replaceable class="parameter">expression</replaceable> ) } [ COLLATE
<replaceable class="parameter">collation</replaceable> ] [ <replaceable
class="parameter">opclass</replaceable> [ ( <replaceable
class="parameter">opclass_parameter</replaceable> = <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable> [, ... ] ) ] ] [ ASC | DESC ] [ NULLS
{ FIRST | LAST } ] [, ...] )
[ INCLUDE ( <replaceable class="parameter">column_name</replaceable>
[, ...] ) ]
[ NULLS [ NOT ] DISTINCT ]
- [ WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) ]
+ [ WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">index_storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) ]
[ TABLESPACE <replaceable
class="parameter">tablespace_name</replaceable> ]
[ WHERE <replaceable class="parameter">predicate</replaceable> ]
</synopsis>
@@ -349,7 +349,7 @@ CREATE [ UNIQUE ] INDEX [ CONCURRENTLY ] [ [ IF NOT
EXISTS ] <replaceable class=
</varlistentry>

<varlistentry>
- <term><replaceable
class="parameter">storage_parameter</replaceable></term>
+ <term><replaceable
class="parameter">index_storage_parameter</replaceable></term>
<listitem>
<para>
The name of an index-method-specific storage parameter. See

This is just adding a documentation index entry where one is needed.

@@ -385,6 +385,10 @@ CREATE [ UNIQUE ] INDEX [ CONCURRENTLY ] [ [ IF NOT
EXISTS ] <replaceable class=
<refsect2 id="sql-createindex-storage-parameters" xreflabel="Index
Storage Parameters">
<title>Index Storage Parameters</title>

+ <indexterm zone="sql-createindex-storage-parameters">
+  <primary>storage parameters</primary>
+ </indexterm>
+
    <para>
     The optional <literal>WITH</literal> clause specifies
<firstterm>storage
     parameters</firstterm> for the index.  Each index method has its own
set
diff --git a/doc/src/sgml/ref/create_table.sgml
b/doc/src/sgml/ref/create_table.sgml
index 982532fe725..acd61534265 100644
--- a/doc/src/sgml/ref/create_table.sgml
+++ b/doc/src/sgml/ref/create_table.sgml

Distinguish in the synopsis the two sets of storage parameters in play here.

@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@ CREATE [ [ GLOBAL | LOCAL ] { TEMPORARY | TEMP } |
UNLOGGED ] TABLE [ IF NOT EXI
 [ INHERITS ( <replaceable>parent_table</replaceable> [, ... ] ) ]
 [ PARTITION BY { RANGE | LIST | HASH } ( { <replaceable
class="parameter">column_name</replaceable> | ( <replaceable
class="parameter">expression</replaceable> ) } [ COLLATE <replaceable
class="parameter">collation</replaceable> ] [ <replaceable
class="parameter">opclass</replaceable> ] [, ... ] ) ]
 [ USING <replaceable class="parameter">method</replaceable> ]
-[ WITH ( <replaceable class="parameter">storage_parameter</replaceable> [=
<replaceable class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) | WITHOUT
OIDS ]
+[ WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">table_storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) | WITHOUT OIDS ]
 [ ON COMMIT { PRESERVE ROWS | DELETE ROWS | DROP } ]
 [ TABLESPACE <replaceable class="parameter">tablespace_name</replaceable> ]
@@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ CREATE [ [ GLOBAL | LOCAL ] { TEMPORARY | TEMP } |
UNLOGGED ] TABLE [ IF NOT EXI
 ) ]
 [ PARTITION BY { RANGE | LIST | HASH } ( { <replaceable
class="parameter">column_name</replaceable> | ( <replaceable
class="parameter">expression</replaceable> ) } [ COLLATE <replaceable
class="parameter">collation</replaceable> ] [ <replaceable
class="parameter">opclass</replaceable> ] [, ... ] ) ]
 [ USING <replaceable class="parameter">method</replaceable> ]
-[ WITH ( <replaceable class="parameter">storage_parameter</replaceable> [=
<replaceable class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) | WITHOUT
OIDS ]
+[ WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">table_storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) | WITHOUT OIDS ]
 [ ON COMMIT { PRESERVE ROWS | DELETE ROWS | DROP } ]
 [ TABLESPACE <replaceable class="parameter">tablespace_name</replaceable> ]
@@ -54,7 +54,7 @@ CREATE [ [ GLOBAL | LOCAL ] { TEMPORARY | TEMP } |
UNLOGGED ] TABLE [ IF NOT EXI
 ) ] { FOR VALUES <replaceable
class="parameter">partition_bound_spec</replaceable> | DEFAULT }
 [ PARTITION BY { RANGE | LIST | HASH } ( { <replaceable
class="parameter">column_name</replaceable> | ( <replaceable
class="parameter">expression</replaceable> ) } [ COLLATE <replaceable
class="parameter">collation</replaceable> ] [ <replaceable
class="parameter">opclass</replaceable> ] [, ... ] ) ]
 [ USING <replaceable class="parameter">method</replaceable> ]
-[ WITH ( <replaceable class="parameter">storage_parameter</replaceable> [=
<replaceable class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) | WITHOUT
OIDS ]
+[ WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">table_storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) | WITHOUT OIDS ]
 [ ON COMMIT { PRESERVE ROWS | DELETE ROWS | DROP } ]
 [ TABLESPACE <replaceable class="parameter">tablespace_name</replaceable> ]

@@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ WITH ( MODULUS <replaceable
class="parameter">numeric_literal</replaceable>, REM
<phrase><replaceable class="parameter">index_parameters</replaceable> in
<literal>UNIQUE</literal>, <literal>PRIMARY KEY</literal>, and
<literal>EXCLUDE</literal> constraints are:</phrase>

 [ INCLUDE ( <replaceable class="parameter">column_name</replaceable> [,
... ] ) ]
-[ WITH ( <replaceable class="parameter">storage_parameter</replaceable> [=
<replaceable class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) ]
+[ WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">index_storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] ) ]
 [ USING INDEX TABLESPACE <replaceable
class="parameter">tablespace_name</replaceable> ]

Add the second variant in the description area consistent with the other
multi-variant syntax blocks being documented here.
Also mention and link to the index ones directly instead of only via the
table storage parameters section.
The comment about OIDS doesn't fit in with the paragraph about storage
parameters, give it its own paragraph.

@@ -1451,12 +1451,17 @@ WITH ( MODULUS <replaceable
class="parameter">numeric_literal</replaceable>, REM
</varlistentry>

    <varlistentry id="sql-createtable-parms-with">
-    <term><literal>WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] )</literal></term>
+    <term><literal>WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">table_storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] )</literal></term>
+    <term><literal>WITH ( <replaceable
class="parameter">index_storage_parameter</replaceable> [= <replaceable
class="parameter">value</replaceable>] [, ... ] )</literal></term>
     <listitem>
      <para>
       This clause specifies optional storage parameters for a table or
index;
       see <xref linkend="sql-createtable-storage-parameters"/> below for
more
-      information.  For backward-compatibility the <literal>WITH</literal>
+      information on table storage parameters. For index storage parameters
+      see <xref linkend="sql-createindex-storage-parameters"/>.
+     </para>
+     <para>
+      For backward-compatibility the <literal>WITH</literal>
       clause for a table can also include <literal>OIDS=FALSE</literal> to
       specify that rows of the new table should not contain OIDs (object
       identifiers), <literal>OIDS=TRUE</literal> is not supported anymore.

We already name Index Storage Parameters, we should add "Table" here.

@@ -1555,8 +1560,8 @@ WITH ( MODULUS <replaceable
class="parameter">numeric_literal</replaceable>, REM

</variablelist>

-  <refsect2 id="sql-createtable-storage-parameters" xreflabel="Storage
Parameters">
-   <title>Storage Parameters</title>
+  <refsect2 id="sql-createtable-storage-parameters" xreflabel="Table
Storage Parameters">
+   <title>Table Storage Parameters</title>

<indexterm zone="sql-createtable-storage-parameters">
<primary>storage parameters</primary>

And point to the actual storage parameter section directly instead of the
whole page.

@@ -1567,7 +1572,7 @@ WITH ( MODULUS <replaceable
class="parameter">numeric_literal</replaceable>, REM
     for tables, and for indexes associated with a
<literal>UNIQUE</literal>,
     <literal>PRIMARY KEY</literal>, or <literal>EXCLUDE</literal>
constraint.
     Storage parameters for
-    indexes are documented in <xref linkend="sql-createindex"/>.
+    indexes are documented in <xref
linkend="sql-createindex-storage-parameters"/>
     The storage parameters currently
     available for tables are listed below.  For many of these parameters,
as
     shown, there is an additional parameter with the same name prefixed
with

We continue to speak of "storage parameters" in each page without
qualification, just adding table/index for titles and syntax labels for the
specific clarity needed in those cases.

David J.

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#20Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
In reply to: Igor Korot (#18)
Re: CREATE TABLE fails

On 3/8/26 6:08 PM, Igor Korot wrote:

David,

I am not sure. But looking at the docs I point to it’s confusing.

It doesn’t say that they are documented in CREATE INDEX.

Maybe just add something like:

“Those storage parameters are for table only. If you need ones for index
- check CREATE INDEX page.”

I thought it already did:

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/16/sql-createtable.html#SQL-CREATETABLE-STORAGE-PARAMETERS

"Storage Parameters

The WITH clause can specify storage parameters for tables, and for
indexes associated with a UNIQUE, PRIMARY KEY, or EXCLUDE constraint.
Storage parameters for indexes are documented in CREATE INDEX. The
storage parameters currently available for tables are listed below. ..."

Maybe put that where the WITH clause is explained.

This emphasizes the difference between them.

What do you think?

Thank you.

David J.

--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com

#21Christoph Moench-Tegeder
cmt@burggraben.net
In reply to: Igor Korot (#7)