CMS - portal server Question

Hi Achilleas

Achilleas Mantzios wrote:

Hi,
i am thinking of deploying a CMS system for our corporate web server.

I have seen/installed/tested :

Jboss Portal : Seeems good and standards complying but too unstable
Apache Lenya : Very unstable - could not get it to any useful work
Php-nuke : (despite our favor towards java, this seems stable but not what
we want)
OpenCMS : Very stable but not so open source - some one has to pay to get
anything more than the basic

Practically from just browsing and using google one could conclude that there
are 10ths of
open source tools that do content management.
Also it is impractical to install even 10% of them.
Moreover web articles/reviews/comparisons rarely give anything but biased
views.

So since i think that our type of need falls in the same big family as the
ones
working in the unix/PostgreSQL/java world i would like to ask you about your
experience
in this field.

[...]

You can check both Alfresco and Jahia. Both systems use Hibernate for
O/R mapping, so there is no problem with PostgreSQL backend.

Sergiusz

On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 12:07 +0300, Achilleas Mantzios wrote:

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In the same sense java is prefered over PHP, since we dont intent to interfere
with CMS code, but if some killer PHP app does the job, then it will be the
one selected.

Take a look at eZpublish (http://ez.no). Killer PHP app, supports
PostgreSQL.
Or maybe Drupal or a derivative (http://drupal.org).

Andy

Hi,

Another good CMS, IMHO, is drupal (http://drupal.org/). It works well
with PostgreSQL, and we use it successfully at http://www.PostgreSQLFr.org/.

It's stable and maintained, the dev team releases new versions often,
and there are a lot of pluggable modules (
http://drupal.org/project/Modules) to enhace it and make it suitable for
your needs.

There are also many themes available (http://drupal.org/project/Themes)
for you to have it look like you want really quickly.

It supports many languages and has a lot of great features I couldn't
write down on this list, since there are so much, just take a look at
it: http://drupal.org/features

I think drupal is defenitely a solution you have to consider.

Cheers,

PS: do not cross-post

--
Jean-Paul Argudo
www.dalibo.com
www.PostgreSQLFr.org

On 25/08/2006, at 7:07 PM, Achilleas Mantzios wrote:

Hi,
i am thinking of deploying a CMS system for our corporate web server.

I have seen/installed/tested :

Jboss Portal : Seeems good and standards complying but too unstable
Apache Lenya : Very unstable - could not get it to any useful work
Php-nuke : (despite our favor towards java, this seems stable
but not what
we want)
OpenCMS : Very stable but not so open source - some one has to
pay to get
anything more than the basic

Practically from just browsing and using google one could conclude
that there
are 10ths of
open source tools that do content management.
Also it is impractical to install even 10% of them.
Moreover web articles/reviews/comparisons rarely give anything but
biased
views.

So since i think that our type of need falls in the same big family
as the
ones
working in the unix/PostgreSQL/java world i would like to ask you
about your
experience
in this field.

Since we dont consider interfering with the DB backend in our
immediate future
intentions, MySQL will be just as good for us.
Ofcourse i prefer postgresql for our applications, but if lets say
opencms
started supporting postgresql just a month ago, then postgresql
will not be
as strong a candidate in that case.

In the same sense java is prefered over PHP, since we dont intent
to interfere
with CMS code, but if some killer PHP app does the job, then it
will be the
one selected.

Thanx

Achilleas Mantzios.

Try plone.

http://plone.org/ Fantastic CRM system.

I realise you have a preference for Java/PHP but this is well worth a
look. Python is a great language to work with - very powerful.

"By default, Plone stores its contents in Zope's built in
transactional object database, the ZODB. There are products and
techniques, however, to share information with other sources, such as
relational databases, LDAP, filesystem files, etc." from http://
plone.org/about/plone

Good luck

-------------------------------------------------
Mark Matthews
General Manager
Object Craft Pty Ltd
Phone: +61 3 9654 9099
http://www.object-craft.com.au

I think that PHP will be were you are at. The Java route in the WEB
world is just too much code for too little benefit. It's fine for big
apps, but frankly, for web environments it's very top-heavy. Modern
scripting languages walk all over it. And yes, I do actually love
working in Java, I am very much in the Java camp.

I wouldn't use anything other than Postgres for production level
services. MySQL is great, but very lightweight and isn't really up to
real world applications. It's a data repository rather than a proper
database. Postgres is where you need to be if only because of the
extensive security and restictions that you can implement in schemas,
views and triggers. It is also extremely robust, scales excellently and
has a huge array of back end programming options.

Try looking at these:

http://plone.org/
http://www.infrae.com/

Your problem comes when you try to integrate with Groupware. Things
break down in the complete lifecycle part - i.e. interfacing to a proper
accounting and billing system with proper account handling, etc.

Best,

Brad

Achilleas Mantzios wrote:

<shamelessprojectplug>

PHP and Java are not the only options.

My project, mojoPortal, is written in C# and runs under .NET on windows or Mono on nix
It works with PostgreSQL or MySQL (or MS SQL or SQLite)

Worth a look:
http://www.mojoportal.com

</shamelessprojectplug>

joe_audette [at] yahoo dotcom
http://www.joeaudette.com
http://www.mojoportal.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Bradley Kieser <brad@kieser.net>
To: Achilleas Mantzios <achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com>
Cc: pgsql-jdbc@postgresql.org; pgsql-general@postgresql.org; pgsql-admin@postgresql.org
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:48:17 AM
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] [ADMIN] CMS - portal server Question

I think that PHP will be were you are at. The Java route in the WEB
world is just too much code for too little benefit. It's fine for big
apps, but frankly, for web environments it's very top-heavy. Modern
scripting languages walk all over it. And yes, I do actually love
working in Java, I am very much in the Java camp.

I wouldn't use anything other than Postgres for production level
services. MySQL is great, but very lightweight and isn't really up to
real world applications. It's a data repository rather than a proper
database. Postgres is where you need to be if only because of the
extensive security and restictions that you can implement in schemas,
views and triggers. It is also extremely robust, scales excellently and
has a huge array of back end programming options.

Try looking at these:

http://plone.org/
http://www.infrae.com/

Your problem comes when you try to integrate with Groupware. Things
break down in the complete lifecycle part - i.e. interfacing to a proper
accounting and billing system with proper account handling, etc.

Best,

Brad

Achilleas Mantzios wrote:

Hi,
i am thinking of deploying a CMS system for our corporate web server.

I have seen/installed/tested :

Jboss Portal : Seeems good and standards complying but too unstable
Apache Lenya : Very unstable - could not get it to any useful work
Php-nuke : (despite our favor towards java, this seems stable but not what
we want)
OpenCMS : Very stable but not so open source - some one has to pay to get
anything more than the basic

Practically from just browsing and using google one could conclude that there
are 10ths of
open source tools that do content management.
Also it is impractical to install even 10% of them.
Moreover web articles/reviews/comparisons rarely give anything but biased
views.

So since i think that our type of need falls in the same big family as the
ones
working in the unix/PostgreSQL/java world i would like to ask you about your
experience
in this field.

Since we dont consider interfering with the DB backend in our immediate future
intentions, MySQL will be just as good for us.
Ofcourse i prefer postgresql for our applications, but if lets say opencms
started supporting postgresql just a month ago, then postgresql will not be
as strong a candidate in that case.

In the same sense java is prefered over PHP, since we dont intent to interfere
with CMS code, but if some killer PHP app does the job, then it will be the
one selected.

Thanx

Achilleas Mantzios.

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We've just taken on ModX (www.modxcms.com) as our corporate CMS system.
You can manage documents, and even write your own php "snippets" -
similar idea to Webparts in M$ SharePoint and modules in Mambo, but
they're much easier to create and use. You can design your site from
the ground up if you like (using custom templates etc.)

ModX does have it's downfalls - the lack of DB support being one of them
- it currently only supports mySQL 4 and 5 (although when I get some
spare time I'm going to have a crack at porting it to PostgreSQL.) The
documentation is also fairly lack, but you can get some decent help on
their forums.

The wizard-based installer gets you up and running in very little time
(provided you already have mySQL optimally set up and configured.)

Definitely worth more than just a look!

Andy.

Achilleas Mantzios wrote: