postgresql rising
I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql
related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are
apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresql...Vonage
is one example:
(http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=47975237&AVSDM=2006%2D09%2D15+13%3A07%3A10&Logo=1&JobTitle=PostgreSQL+Databa%2E%2E%2E&q=postgresql&cy=us&JSNONREG=1&Image1.x=0&Image1.y=0&dcjvlid=380).
Salaries for a capable pg dba are really attractive, I have seen
several in the 6 figure range. If you are reading this list and you
like making money, this is amazing news folks. I am seeing a
confluence of many factors leading to serious penetration into the
enterprise market.
Around 5 years ago after being mostly a c/c++ developer I decided
postgresql was where it was at. Learning the database and becoming
productive with it has been professionally rewarding on many levels.
It's really exciting watching the community evolve.
merlin
On Sep 19, 2006, at 23:57 , Merlin Moncure wrote:
I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql
related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are
apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresql...Vonage
is one example:
(http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=47975237&AVSDM=2006%
2D09%2D15+13%3A07%3A10&Logo=1&JobTitle=PostgreSQL+Databa%2E%2E%
2E&q=postgresql&cy=us&JSNONREG=1&Image1.x=0&Image1.y=0&dcjvlid=380).
Salaries for a capable pg dba are really attractive, I have seen
several in the 6 figure range. If you are reading this list and you
like making money, this is amazing news folks. I am seeing a
confluence of many factors leading to serious penetration into the
enterprise market.Around 5 years ago after being mostly a c/c++ developer I decided
postgresql was where it was at. Learning the database and becoming
productive with it has been professionally rewarding on many levels.
It's really exciting watching the community evolve.
I have noticed the same. One thing you didn't mention is how
postgresql gets into such companies. I highly doubt there is a new
general managerial acceptance of postgresql itself- I haven't had any
of my management mention it from management magazines- rather it
seems to be a grassroots effort by developers who started out using a
free LAMP stack, know the benefits, and then bring that experience to
the workplace.
-M
Merlin Moncure wrote:
I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql
related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are
apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresql...Vonage
is one example:
That is good news, I wish there where some of those Postgresql jobs in
the Milwaukee area :-)
Don't want to move to NJ :-(
It does seem to be a grass roots kind of thing as the major corp
managers have no clue what Postgresql is.
For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server,
Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what
they need :-)
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 09:05:00AM -0400, AgentM wrote:
On Sep 19, 2006, at 23:57 , Merlin Moncure wrote:
I have seen a steady progressive rise in the number of postgresql
related jobs and the quality of those jobs. Major companies are
apparently rolling out critical infrastructure on postgresqlI have noticed the same. One thing you didn't mention is how
postgresql gets into such companies. I highly doubt there is a new
general managerial acceptance of postgresql itself- I haven't had
any of my management mention it from management magazines- rather
it seems to be a grassroots effort by developers who started out
using a free LAMP stack, know the benefits, and then bring that
experience to the workplace.
That's one stage, and I thing we're getting past it. Now, management
is enthusiastic to have FOSS OSs like Linux and FreeBSD as server OSs,
and they're coming around, company by company, to the idea that this
FOSS stuff applies to server software in general.
Even in client-side software, people don't look at you as though
you're insane when you say you're using Firefox or OOo :)
Cheers,
D
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote:
For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server,
Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what
they need :-)
I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate
something is on the basis of reputation. PostgreSQL is building its
reputation, but it doesn't have the marketing budget of those three.
Therefore, it's safer to pick the thing that has a better reputation,
and that makes those reputations stronger still. So what we need is
a spotless reputation -- which we're building.
A
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote:
For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server,
Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what
they need :-)I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate
something is on the basis of reputation.
I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management
hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on
the basis of....
- if there is someone they can sue.
- how attractive the sales rep is.
- how much swag the sales rep brings with them.
:-/
Sadly, I once worked for a company that spent close to $500K on a
commercial product when PHP would have worked just as well... I did make
sure I wrote a very very long CYA email myself so when someone asked why
that decision was made they wouldn't look at me :)
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PostgreSQL is building its
reputation, but it doesn't have the marketing budget of those three.
Therefore, it's safer to pick the thing that has a better reputation,
and that makes those reputations stronger still. So what we need is
a spotless reputation -- which we're building.A
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On 09/20/06 16:38, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
[snip]
I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to
evaluate something is on the basis of....- if there is someone they can sue.
- how attractive the sales rep is.
Back in my youth, working for the family business (roofing/siding
distributor, not many women, fewer attractive women), the most
successful salespeople were always... young attractive women.
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 09/20/06 16:38, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
[snip]I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to
evaluate something is on the basis of....- if there is someone they can sue.
- how attractive the sales rep is.Back in my youth, working for the family business (roofing/siding
distributor, not many women, fewer attractive women), the most
successful salespeople were always... young attractive women.
Pheromones sell.
I wonder if we could replace the elephant logo with a female elephant
logo. That could work wonders ... among the elephant community at
least. Are there many elephants among decision makers?
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PostgreSQL doesn't have any booth babes? ;P
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On 09/20/06 16:38, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
[snip]I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to
evaluate something is on the basis of....- if there is someone they can sue.
- how attractive the sales rep is.Back in my youth, working for the family business (roofing/siding
distributor, not many women, fewer attractive women), the most
successful salespeople were always... young attractive women.
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On 9/21/06, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote:
I wonder if we could replace the elephant logo with a female elephant
logo. That could work wonders ... among the elephant community at
least. Are there many elephants among decision makers?
our elephant isn't female? that changes everything.
merlin
On 21/9/2006 9:39, "Alvaro Herrera" <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote:
I wonder if we could replace the elephant logo with a female elephant
logo. That could work wonders ... among the elephant community at
least. Are there many elephants among decision makers?
Aren't they all elephants?
Oh hang on ... I might be thinking of dinosaurs ;-)
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Alvaro,
I wonder if we could replace the elephant logo with a female elephant
logo. That could work wonders ... among the elephant community at
least. Are there many elephants among decision makers?
Asking google:
there is at least a big elephant awareness in the softskill and management
area. Especially big IT companies were in that business, look at "Louis V.
Gerstner, Jr."
Harald
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On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote:
For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server,
Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what
they need :-)I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate
something is on the basis of reputation.I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management
hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on
the basis of....- if there is someone they can sue.
Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in
their database products.
Brad.
In response to Brad Nicholson <bnichols@ca.afilias.info>:
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote:
For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server,
Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what
they need :-)I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate
something is on the basis of reputation.I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management
hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on
the basis of....- if there is someone they can sue.
Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in
their database products.
Suing someone is not the real reason. It's the excuse given to one's
boss. The real reason is the "Nobody ever got fired for using IBM"
mentality. If you use something that your superiors recognize as the
industry leader and it doesn't work out, who would blame you?
It's CYA. And it's wimpy.
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On 09/21/06 09:28, Bill Moran wrote:
In response to Brad Nicholson <bnichols@ca.afilias.info>:
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto
wrote:
[snip]
Suing someone is not the real reason. It's the excuse given to
one's boss. The real reason is the "Nobody ever got fired for
using IBM" mentality. If you use something that your superiors
recognize as the industry leader and it doesn't work out, who
would blame you?It's CYA. And it's wimpy.
It's a pack/herd mentality that serves the species very well, most
of the time.
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Bill,
Suing someone is not the real reason. It's the excuse given to one's
boss. The real reason is the "Nobody ever got fired for using IBM"
mentality.
"Nobody ever got fired for using IBM" - today it is translated to
(Oracle|Microsoft)
And it may still be true. But it gives you only half the story: IF the tools
somebody buys for his company do not allow that company to stay competitive,
market will decide. And using databases from O or I or M just eats some
money - that other companies who use the Elephant that never forgets don't
have to spend. So, in the long run, buying O or I or M can get you out of
job because of "THE MARKET" dealing with your company, which is not
effective enough anymore.
Harald
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they need :-)
I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate
something is on the basis of reputation.I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management
hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on
the basis of....- if there is someone they can sue.
Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in
their database products.
Well actually you can't sue either via the licenses. However, that is
not where large corps find the comfort. The comfort comes from the fact
that IBM, Oracle and MS will defend *you* if you are sued for ip
violation per the use of their product (e.g; oracle is violating a
patent and you get sued for using oracle).
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
Brad.
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Ron Johnson wrote:
It's a pack/herd mentality that serves the species very well, most
of the time.
Odd that you should state that, in light of your signature tag line.
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Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USAIs "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 08:47, Brad Nicholson wrote:
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote:
For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server,
Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what
they need :-)I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate
something is on the basis of reputation.I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management
hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on
the basis of....- if there is someone they can sue.
Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in
their database products.
I had a boss once who panned PostgreSQL because he wanted a company to
be able to blame if things went wrong. I asked him if it wasn't more
important to worry about preventing things from going wrong in the first
place. I got a rather blank stare for a while. No answer.
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:38 -0500, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:10:56AM -0500, Tony Caduto wrote:
For a high level corp manager all they ever hear about is MS SQL Server,
Oracle and DB2, and the more it costs the more they think it is what
they need :-)I think that description is false. At a certain point in the
management hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate
something is on the basis of reputation.I think that description is false. At a certain point in the management
hierarchy, the only way anyone has the ability to evaluate something is on
the basis of....- if there is someone they can sue.
Good luck attempting to sue Microsoft, Oracle or IBM for deficiencies in
their database products.Suing someone is not the real reason. It's the excuse given to one's
boss. The real reason is the "Nobody ever got fired for using IBM"
mentality. If you use something that your superiors recognize as the
industry leader and it doesn't work out, who would blame you?It's CYA. And it's wimpy.
Yep. That's exactly it!
Here's a feel good story for you...
A couple of companies ago where we were small and I got to make the
decisions, we decided to build our app on FreeBSD/PHP/PostgreSQL. And all
was well, since we were small and people trusted me. Then we got bought
out by a big company. The first thing they wanted us to do was rewrite
for Linux/Java/Oracle. Then one of the sales guys wanted us to add
SQLServer support cause it would look good on the feature sheet. Note that
99% of the time this was a hosted solution. I left about a year ago and
just recently learned that for one of their new products (deployable not
hosted) they were going with PostgreSQL :-)
-philip
