Spam from EnterpriseDB?
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?
I got one to an email address most likely harvested from one of the
Postgresql mailing lists. Ingrid Catlin over at EnterpriseDB
confirmed that they sent the mail, but that Rich Romanik provided
them with the list of email addresses "so it isn't spam".
Cheers,
Steve
On 1/18/07, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote:
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?
yes...
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build bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe trying
to produce bigger and better idiots.
So far, the universe is winning."
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2007/1/18, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com>:
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?I got one to an email address most likely harvested from one of the
Postgresql mailing lists. Ingrid Catlin over at EnterpriseDB
confirmed that they sent the mail, but that Rich Romanik provided
them with the list of email addresses "so it isn't spam".
I received that. I think it does not matter who provided the list. The
point is I didn't ask for emails from them.
I receive two or three hundred spams each day, so it does not make a
difference. It is just that it is bad behavior from postgresql
community people. A shame.
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"Jaime Casanova" <systemguards@gmail.com> writes:
On 1/18/07, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote:
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?yes...
Same here... Already reported their spam to spamcop... It is nice that I got
3 messages from them, one for each email of mine, so they got a bit more of
spam status at the bayesian filters I manage and also were reported 3 times to
some anti-spam services.
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Jorge Godoy <jgodoy@gmail.com>
I got one as well ... not a big deal in my mind since it's only happened once (weekly would be offensive), and it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that we'd have use for their services (I try to keep an update list of possible resources for my employers in the event that I get hit by a meteor or a bus or something equally debilitating).
Still, I think there might be an appropriate mailing list for this sort of commercial announcement which would be better than the "retail" approach.
My $0.02 worth ...
Greg Williamson
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-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org on behalf of Steve Atkins
Sent: Thu 1/18/2007 3:54 PM
To: pgsql general
Cc:
Subject: [GENERAL] Spam from EnterpriseDB?
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?
I got one to an email address most likely harvested from one of the
Postgresql mailing lists. Ingrid Catlin over at EnterpriseDB
confirmed that they sent the mail, but that Rich Romanik provided
them with the list of email addresses "so it isn't spam".
Cheers,
Steve
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Gregory S. Williamson wrote:
I got one as well ... not a big deal in my mind since it's only happened once (weekly would be offensive), and it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that we'd have use for their services (I try to keep an update list of possible resources for my employers in the event that I get hit by a meteor or a bus or something equally debilitating).
It is pretty bad mojo to harvest emails from a community list to
generate targets for a spam. Keep in mind they didn't email you. They
emailed people on the list. I mean just look at the email...
Dear First Name,
Still, I think there might be an appropriate mailing list for this sort of commercial announcement which would be better than the "retail" approach.
There is... it's called pgsql-announce, and they know it.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
My $0.02 worth ...
Greg Williamson
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-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org on behalf of Steve Atkins
Sent: Thu 1/18/2007 3:54 PM
To: pgsql general
Cc:
Subject: [GENERAL] Spam from EnterpriseDB?Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?I got one to an email address most likely harvested from one of the
Postgresql mailing lists. Ingrid Catlin over at EnterpriseDB
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On Thursday 18 January 2007 15:54, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote:
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?
yep. You really would think that even the marketing weenies might know
better by now.
Hopefully whoever is responsible is cleaning out their desk this afternoon.
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parts ... the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to
do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
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On 01/18/07 18:29, Alan Hodgson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 15:54, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote:
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?yep. You really would think that even the marketing weenies might know
better by now.Hopefully whoever is responsible is cleaning out their desk this afternoon.
Harsh, aren't we?
Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock
scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from
potential customers will be pain enough.
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On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:44, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
Harsh, aren't we?
Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock
scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from
potential customers will be pain enough.
Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to
send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot.
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I want. I am hoping for "Witnesses reported the sound up to two hundred
kilometers away" or "Last body part finally located".' --- James Nicoll
On 1/18/07, Alan Hodgson <ahodgson@simkin.ca> wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 15:54, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote:
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
"Postgresql Support Services"?yep. You really would think that even the marketing weenies might know
better by now.Hopefully whoever is responsible is cleaning out their desk this afternoon.
please, no!!
just be more careful...
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regards,
Jaime Casanova
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe trying
to produce bigger and better idiots.
So far, the universe is winning."
Richard Cook
On 1/18/07, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
Gregory S. Williamson wrote:
I got one as well ... not a big deal in my mind since it's only happened once (weekly would be offensive), and it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that we'd have use for their services (I try to keep an update list of possible resources for my employers in the event that I get hit by a meteor or a bus or something equally debilitating).
It is pretty bad mojo to harvest emails from a community list to
generate targets for a spam. Keep in mind they didn't email you. They
emailed people on the list. I mean just look at the email...Dear First Name,
Still, I think there might be an appropriate mailing list for this sort of commercial announcement which would be better than the "retail" approach.
There is... it's called pgsql-announce, and they know it.
i thought there is a list for that...
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regards,
Jaime Casanova
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe trying
to produce bigger and better idiots.
So far, the universe is winning."
Richard Cook
Alan Hodgson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:44, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
Harsh, aren't we?
Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock
scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from
potential customers will be pain enough.Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to
send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot.
That is a bit extreme. One persons SPAM is another persons interesting
information. Although I agree that the behavior in this particular
situation was a bit less than the average IQ score.
If you are going to communicate with potential customers, especially as
SPAM have the integrity to do it yourself and take the heat yourself.
Don't use some off brand secondary service and pay them to spam for you.
I send out email all the time to potentials. It is common practice but I
do it, directly as me.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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In 2007 however, the punishment ought to be ... ??
;-)
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From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org on behalf of Alan Hodgson
Sent: Thu 1/18/2007 4:57 PM
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Spam from EnterpriseDB?
On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:44, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
Harsh, aren't we?
Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock
scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from
potential customers will be pain enough.
Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to
send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot.
--
`"Gun-wielding recluse gunned down by local police" isn't the epitaph
I want. I am hoping for "Witnesses reported the sound up to two hundred
kilometers away" or "Last body part finally located".' --- James Nicoll
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:08:53 -0800, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
Alan Hodgson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:44, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
Harsh, aren't we?
Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock
scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from
potential customers will be pain enough.Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to
send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot.That is a bit extreme. One persons SPAM is another persons interesting
information. Although I agree that the behavior in this particular
situation was a bit less than the average IQ score.If you are going to communicate with potential customers, especially as
SPAM have the integrity to do it yourself and take the heat yourself.
Don't use some off brand secondary service and pay them to spam for you.I send out email all the time to potentials. It is common practice but I
do it, directly as me.
I think that this bit is the spam clincher
Please click here to unsubscribe
[http://now.eloqua.com/....]
Without that, I might have even filed it away in case I needed what they
were offering (24/7 phone support is useful for those of us in vastly
different time zones).
Mailing lists that I didn't ask to be on is a different story.
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to
send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot.That is a bit extreme. One persons SPAM is another persons interesting
information. Although I agree that the behavior in this particular
situation was a bit less than the average IQ score.If you are going to communicate with potential customers, especially as
SPAM have the integrity to do it yourself and take the heat yourself.
Don't use some off brand secondary service and pay them to spam for you.I send out email all the time to potentials. It is common practice but I
do it, directly as me.
Josh, under the law, that's not spam. Individually written emails are
never spam even if they may be "unsolicited sales material." So, rest
assured.
Richard
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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Without that, I might have even filed it away in case I needed what they
were offering (24/7 phone support is useful for those of us in vastly
different time zones).
http://www.commandprompt.com/ :) We are more cost effective and have
been doing it for much, much longer ;)
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
Mailing lists that I didn't ask to be on is a different story.
klint.
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* Joshua D. Drake (jd@commandprompt.com) wrote:
Without that, I might have even filed it away in case I needed what they
were offering (24/7 phone support is useful for those of us in vastly
different time zones).http://www.commandprompt.com/ :) We are more cost effective and have
been doing it for much, much longer ;)
And you know, it wouldn't have been *so* bad if they'd just sent it from
themselves to -general or something. Sending it directly to addresses
pulled from mailing lists is *bad* form and, imv, against proper mailing
list etiquette and justification for removal from the lists.
Thanks,
Stephen
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 06:14:23PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
http://www.commandprompt.com/ :) We are more cost effective and have
been doing it for much, much longer ;)
As somebody with a measure of influence over PostgreSQL work in my
organization, I'll say that unsolicited email to my personal address
has not gone unremarked.
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 08:02:58PM -0700, Michael Fuhr wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 06:14:23PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
http://www.commandprompt.com/ :) We are more cost effective and have
been doing it for much, much longer ;)As somebody with a measure of influence over PostgreSQL work in my
organization, I'll say that unsolicited email to my personal address
has not gone unremarked.
I'd like to clarify my remarks: I wasn't referring to Joshua or to
Command Prompt, but rather to the unsolicited email I received from
That Other Company. I replied to Joshua's message to imply that
I'd be recommending that my organization consider talking to Command
Prompt.
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On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 17:48 -0800, Richard Troy wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to
send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot.That is a bit extreme. One persons SPAM is another persons interesting
information. Although I agree that the behavior in this particular
situation was a bit less than the average IQ score.If you are going to communicate with potential customers, especially as
SPAM have the integrity to do it yourself and take the heat yourself.
Don't use some off brand secondary service and pay them to spam for you.I send out email all the time to potentials. It is common practice but I
do it, directly as me.Josh, under the law, that's not spam. Individually written emails are
never spam even if they may be "unsolicited sales material." So, rest
assured.Richard
You are oh so wrong in so many ways.
SPAM is a term used for unsolicited email of any kind be it UCE
{unsolicited commercial email}, UBE {unsolicited bulk email} or
anything else that is unsolicited and sent to a large number of
individuals or cross posted to a number of mailing lists and or
news groups.
I feel that all @en25.com and @enterprisedb.com should be
considered for banning from the PostgreSQL mailing lists without
a better apology than has been given to date:
"EnterpriseDB recently sent out email advertising new support offerings.
Unfortunately, the email was incorrectly sent to some people who should
not have received it. We apologize for the error, and are taking steps
to avoid such mistakes in the future."
Denis Lussier, CTO & Founder
The part about : "incorrectly sent to some people who should not have
received it"
Is far too weak. I am certain that I never expressed any interest
in EnterpriseDB on the announce list or any other PostgreSQL list.
Posting the message on the list would have been just as effective.
I would expect EnterpriseDB to remove me and anyone else who
has not expressed interest from their list. I thought that the FAQ
indicated that harvesting of emails off the list was not allowed,
I will have to review it, when I have time. As an employee of a
Network Service Provider, I know that we do not tolerate repeat
incidences of intentional Unsolicited email, and especially frown
on complaints of harvested mailing lists.
I do not want any personal communication from EnterpriseDB in
response to this posting or ever again in the future, if they want
to respond they can reply to this post on this mailing list.
I have verified that their NSP is in Canada and have determined
that address harvesting may be illegal if it is not already in
Canada. See Item 7 on :
http://www.e-com.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/inecic-ceac.nsf/en/h_gv00337e.html
