Sun acquires MySQL
http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
What does this mean for Sun's support of Postgres?
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Russ Brown wrote:
http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
What does this mean for Sun's support of Postgres?
Does it matter? :) I am sure OmniTI and Command Prompt will be
happy to help any disgruntled customer :)
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
Joshua Drake shaped the electrons to say:
Russ Brown wrote:
http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
What does this mean for Sun's support of Postgres?
Does it matter? :) I am sure OmniTI and Command Prompt will be
happy to help any disgruntled customer :)
Well, in the past year or so Sun seemed to have been moving toward support of PostgreSQL and there was considerable traffic on Great And Subtle Things Beyond My Ken [Jignish Shah, I think, might be the name of the Sun engineer who was working on some issues]. If they own MySQL support for PostgreSQL might be reduced, and perhaps Oracle ? Hard to tell from the blog report. Sun might have some specific use for some aspect of MySQL, or maybe it is part of something bigger. But potentially it could freeze PostgreSQL out of more Sun-centric shops. {locally we use Linux mostly, some Sun, but used to be much more Sun oriented; personally from a Sun background and have a faint fondness for their servers}. I doubt that any entity other than Sun can provide software fixes for issues in Sun kernels that might improve PostgreSQL's performance.
My $0.04 worth (inflation)
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Russ Brown wrote:
http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
What does this mean for Sun's support of Postgres?
Speaking from pure opinion here :)
Oracle for example is buying out the little techs that MySQL relies on -
BDB and InnoDB.
The main company, MySQL AB was all that was left to effectively give
them control of MySQL.
PostgreSQL obviously doesn't have this risk - No one company holds that
much power, and even the -core team is split between the various
supporting companies around PostgreSQL.
Sun wants to support both.
If you wanted to ensure MySQL continued as a company, and you had the
money, its not a bad idea really.
Sun buys MySQL AB, ensures it continues.
I don't see Sun's support of PostgreSQL going away though.
I'm sure they have various support contracts out, not to mention various
employees working on it.
Sun can still contribute equally to PostgreSQL, and it can still make
just as much money on PostgreSQL as it does on MySQL.
Though PostgreSQL I imagine is cheaper as the community does more of the
work, they can just provide the additional support. MySQL they have
additional costs as they do more of the development.
I'm actually very curious now that Sun owns it, will they change how the
community contributes to the database?
I personally prefer the PostgreSQL community, joining and contributing
to the community I've found to be easier.
Then there is - How will Oracle feel about Solaris now?
Before Sun just supported the competition, it didn't "own" a direct
competitor.
Weslee
On Jan 16, 2008 7:19 AM, Russ Brown <pickscrape@gmail.com> wrote:
http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
What does this mean for Sun's support of Postgres?
I don't see why it should change really, they kind of swim in different waters.
What I do think is interesting is that Sun might actually more fully
open up MySQL than it has been so far. I.e relax the viral nature of
the connect libs. Go back to LGPL licensing on them. Stop trying to
collect licensing fees on an open source database. Make the money on
consulting instead.
It would also be nice to see them do something to streamline the whole
2^n licensing / build model they currently struggle under. Taking a
year to fix a fairly innocuous packaging bug, then reintroducing that
bug, then squashing it again is not good. It would be nice to see
them streamline the development process. Having 4 or 5 active
development branches is too chaotic.
How much does Sun currently contribute to the project? Do they have
designated coders?
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Scott Marlowe wrote:
On Jan 16, 2008 7:19 AM, Russ Brown <pickscrape@gmail.com> wrote:
http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
What does this mean for Sun's support of Postgres?
I don't see why it should change really, they kind of swim in different waters.
What I do think is interesting is that Sun might actually more fully
open up MySQL than it has been so far. I.e relax the viral nature of
the connect libs.
To my knowledge that "argument" is long gone, over and no longer
relevant. What they do is hold their security fixes back and have
official packages etc..
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
dvanatta wrote:
How much does Sun currently contribute to the project? Do they have
designated coders?
They employ a core member who is not a hacker.
They provide some machines etc..
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
dvanatta wrote:
How much does Sun currently contribute to the project? Do they have
designated coders?They employ a core member who is not a hacker.
They provide some machines etc..
They contributed a DTrace patch and the Sun hackers can be seen from
time to time. They're not just marketing ...
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Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
dvanatta wrote:
How much does Sun currently contribute to the project? Do they have
designated coders?They employ a core member who is not a hacker.
They provide some machines etc..They contributed a DTrace patch and the Sun hackers can be seen from
time to time. They're not just marketing ...
I didn't mean to imply that. I took his question as does Sun have
regularly contributing hackers like yourself of AndrewD.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
If MySQL goes the way of Java, maybe there isn't too much to worry
about.
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To: Russ Brown
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Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Sun acquires MySQL
Russ Brown wrote:
http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
What does this mean for Sun's support of Postgres?
Speaking from pure opinion here :)
Oracle for example is buying out the little techs that MySQL relies on -
BDB and InnoDB.
The main company, MySQL AB was all that was left to effectively give
them control of MySQL.
PostgreSQL obviously doesn't have this risk - No one company holds that
much power, and even the -core team is split between the various
supporting companies around PostgreSQL.
Sun wants to support both.
If you wanted to ensure MySQL continued as a company, and you had the
money, its not a bad idea really.
Sun buys MySQL AB, ensures it continues.
I don't see Sun's support of PostgreSQL going away though.
I'm sure they have various support contracts out, not to mention various
employees working on it.
Sun can still contribute equally to PostgreSQL, and it can still make
just as much money on PostgreSQL as it does on MySQL.
Though PostgreSQL I imagine is cheaper as the community does more of the
work, they can just provide the additional support. MySQL they have
additional costs as they do more of the development.
I'm actually very curious now that Sun owns it, will they change how the
community contributes to the database?
I personally prefer the PostgreSQL community, joining and contributing
to the community I've found to be easier.
Then there is - How will Oracle feel about Solaris now?
Before Sun just supported the competition, it didn't "own" a direct
competitor.
Weslee
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The main company, MySQL AB was all that was left to effectively give
them control of MySQL.PostgreSQL obviously doesn't have this risk - No one company holds that
much power, and even the -core team is split between the various
supporting companies around PostgreSQL.
Is this up to date?
http://www.postgresql.org/community/contributors/
I'm asking because I was always told EnterpriseDB employs now 5 out of 7
core committers.
Thanks for the clarification.
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2 out of 7 - which would be Bruce & I.
Regards, Dave
On 1/16/08, Dirk Riehle <dirk@riehle.org> wrote:
The main company, MySQL AB was all that was left to effectively give
them control of MySQL.PostgreSQL obviously doesn't have this risk - No one company holds that
much power, and even the -core team is split between the various
supporting companies around PostgreSQL.Is this up to date?
http://www.postgresql.org/community/contributors/
I'm asking because I was always told EnterpriseDB employs now 5 out of 7
core committers.Thanks for the clarification.
Dirk
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:25:45 -0800
Dirk Riehle <dirk@riehle.org> wrote:
The main company, MySQL AB was all that was left to effectively give
them control of MySQL.PostgreSQL obviously doesn't have this risk - No one company holds
that much power, and even the -core team is split between the
various supporting companies around PostgreSQL.Is this up to date?
http://www.postgresql.org/community/contributors/
I'm asking because I was always told EnterpriseDB employs now 5 out
of 7 core committers.
What? They do employ more contributors than that (oh and just because
they are core doesn't mean they have commit rights).
They employ Dave Page and Bruce Momjian who are core members.
They also employ Greg Stark and Heikki are very fairly visible
contributors.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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What's up with 3 of the 7 being from Pennsylvania? What's the connection?
Dave Page-3 wrote:
2 out of 7 - which would be Bruce & I.
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In response to dvanatta <dvanatta@yahoo.com>:
What's up with 3 of the 7 being from Pennsylvania? What's the connection?
Well, as everyone knows, Pennsylvania is a haven for brilliant
people. In fact, simply living in Pennsylvania makes you smarter.
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:23:35 -0800 (PST)
dvanatta <dvanatta@yahoo.com> wrote:
What's up with 3 of the 7 being from Pennsylvania? What's the
connection?
Its the closest the cult of the elephant will get to jersey.
Joshua D. Drake
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Russ Brown wrote:
http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
What does this mean for Sun's support of Postgres?
So why not go directly to the "source", Sun itself, and ask them?
Someone like Bruce should just knock on the door and ask.
Then you can evaluate the answer. Either a lie, the truth, or somewhere
in-between, and the answer may only have a certain "shelf-life", for what is
true today in the tech industry is false later.
..Otto
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Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> wrote:
In response to dvanatta <dvanatta@yahoo.com>:
What's up with 3 of the 7 being from Pennsylvania? What's the
connection?Well, as everyone knows, Pennsylvania is a haven for brilliant
people. In fact, simply living in Pennsylvania makes you smarter.
Then why did Ben Frankly attach a key to a kite in the middle of a
thunderstorm?
Joshua D. Drake
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And this is why I live in pa, but make the trek in to the netherworld
known as new jersey. :D
On 1/16/08, Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> wrote:
In response to dvanatta <dvanatta@yahoo.com>:
What's up with 3 of the 7 being from Pennsylvania? What's the connection?
Well, as everyone knows, Pennsylvania is a haven for brilliant
people. In fact, simply living in Pennsylvania makes you smarter.--
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