PostgreSQL user documentation wiki open for business

Hello all,

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:53:57 +0000 Dave Page wrote:

I'm pleased to announce that wiki.postgresql.org is now open for business!

Oh, very good!

The wiki can be accessed at

http://wiki.postgresql.org/

Is it ok to have a category like "external resources"? Links to other
websites?

One link comes into my mind: there is a well-used german PG forum which
is managed by a guy who is not active in the community. The same
applies to the english speaking forum. Just to give two examples.

Kind regards

--
Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors

Hi Ads,

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
<adsmail@wars-nicht.de> wrote:

The wiki can be accessed at

http://wiki.postgresql.org/

Is it ok to have a category like "external resources"? Links to other
websites?

One link comes into my mind: there is a well-used german PG forum which
is managed by a guy who is not active in the community. The same
applies to the english speaking forum. Just to give two examples.

Sure - in fact there are already a bunch of offsite links in the
documents that were moved from techdocs.

I did just discuss using it for different languages with someone else
- I suggested that perhaps we should add a 'language specific' set of
links on the front page (which can only be edited by sysops). Would
that work for you? Then you could add any German documents or
resources as you saw fit.

--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Dave Page <dpage@postgresql.org> wrote:

I'm pleased to announce that wiki.postgresql.org is now open for business!

Awesome!

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EnterpriseDB Corporation | fax: 732.331.1301
499 Thornall Street, 2nd Floor | jonah.harris@enterprisedb.com
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Hello

I am translating tips from czech language, that I would copy to wiki.
Please, I invite any help with language fix - my translation is really
basic.

current work is on: http://www.pgsql.cz/index.php/PostgreSQL_SQL_Tricks

Thank you

Pavel Stehule

Dave Page a �crit :

Hi Ads,

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
<adsmail@wars-nicht.de> wrote:

The wiki can be accessed at

http://wiki.postgresql.org/

Is it ok to have a category like "external resources"? Links to other
websites?

One link comes into my mind: there is a well-used german PG forum which
is managed by a guy who is not active in the community. The same
applies to the english speaking forum. Just to give two examples.

Sure - in fact there are already a bunch of offsite links in the
documents that were moved from techdocs.

I did just discuss using it for different languages with someone else
- I suggested that perhaps we should add a 'language specific' set of
links on the front page (which can only be edited by sysops). Would
that work for you? Then you could add any German documents or
resources as you saw fit.

And french ones, that would be great :)

--
Guillaume.
http://www.postgresqlfr.org
http://dalibo.com

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Guillaume Lelarge
<guillaume@lelarge.info> wrote:

I did just discuss using it for different languages with someone else
- I suggested that perhaps we should add a 'language specific' set of
links on the front page (which can only be edited by sysops). Would
that work for you? Then you could add any German documents or
resources as you saw fit.

And french ones, that would be great :)

OK, please let me know when you (anyone) wants to start work on a
language specific area and I'll add an appropriate link to the front
page. I won't do it until you're ready to start though.

--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk

Dave Page wrote:

I did just discuss using it for different languages with someone else
- I suggested that perhaps we should add a 'language specific' set of
links on the front page (which can only be edited by sysops). Would
that work for you? Then you could add any German documents or
resources as you saw fit.

The Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org) has a reasonably-working language
support. Maybe get some inspiration there.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote:

Dave Page wrote:

I did just discuss using it for different languages with someone else
- I suggested that perhaps we should add a 'language specific' set of
links on the front page (which can only be edited by sysops). Would
that work for you? Then you could add any German documents or
resources as you saw fit.

The Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org) has a reasonably-working language
support. Maybe get some inspiration there.

Yeah, my multi-language skills are poor, but from what I can gather
they're doing a mix of 'same page in different languages' and some
stuff only in a single language. I don't believe we have anything like
the resources to do the former effectively, but I see no reason not to
add some language specific areas.

--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:24:08 +0000 Dave Page wrote:

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Guillaume Lelarge
<guillaume@lelarge.info> wrote:

I did just discuss using it for different languages with someone else
- I suggested that perhaps we should add a 'language specific' set of
links on the front page (which can only be edited by sysops). Would
that work for you? Then you could add any German documents or
resources as you saw fit.

And french ones, that would be great :)

OK, please let me know when you (anyone) wants to start work on a
language specific area and I'll add an appropriate link to the front
page. I won't do it until you're ready to start though.

Go for it, i will take a look into the german section.
It seems, the france section also got support;-)

Kind regards

--
Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors

The wiki can be accessed at

http://wiki.postgresql.org/

Thank you everyone for all the hard work to make this possible.

Regards,
Gevik

Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum a �crit :

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:24:08 +0000 Dave Page wrote:

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Guillaume Lelarge
<guillaume@lelarge.info> wrote:

I did just discuss using it for different languages with someone else
- I suggested that perhaps we should add a 'language specific' set of
links on the front page (which can only be edited by sysops). Would
that work for you? Then you could add any German documents or
resources as you saw fit.

And french ones, that would be great :)

OK, please let me know when you (anyone) wants to start work on a
language specific area and I'll add an appropriate link to the front
page. I won't do it until you're ready to start though.

Go for it, i will take a look into the german section.
It seems, the france section also got support;-)

Yes, I'll take care of the french one. I have a few links to add... just
need to find if I already have a PostgreSQL Community login. Don't think
so but I'll check now.

--
Guillaume.
http://www.postgresqlfr.org
http://dalibo.com

Dave Page wrote:

Yeah, my multi-language skills are poor, but from what I can gather
they're doing a mix of 'same page in different languages' and some
stuff only in a single language. I don't believe we have anything like
the resources to do the former effectively, but I see no reason not to
add some language specific areas.

FWIW there's a quite a bunch of people interested in translating stuff
but they don't know what to translate :-) Having translatable wiki
material would rock.

--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Guillaume Lelarge
<guillaume@lelarge.info> wrote:

Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum a écrit :

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:24:08 +0000 Dave Page wrote:

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Guillaume Lelarge
<guillaume@lelarge.info> wrote:

I did just discuss using it for different languages with someone else
- I suggested that perhaps we should add a 'language specific' set of
links on the front page (which can only be edited by sysops). Would
that work for you? Then you could add any German documents or
resources as you saw fit.

And french ones, that would be great :)

OK, please let me know when you (anyone) wants to start work on a
language specific area and I'll add an appropriate link to the front
page. I won't do it until you're ready to start though.

Go for it, i will take a look into the german section.
It seems, the france section also got support;-)

Yes, I'll take care of the french one. I have a few links to add... just
need to find if I already have a PostgreSQL Community login. Don't think
so but I'll check now.

OK, I've added sections for German, French and Spanish.

http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Main_Page#Alternate_Languages

I'm not convinced 'Alternate' is the correct word as I don't think
these sections will simply contain translations of all the English
docs, so if anyone has any better ideas...

--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Alvaro Herrera
<alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote:

Dave Page wrote:

Yeah, my multi-language skills are poor, but from what I can gather
they're doing a mix of 'same page in different languages' and some
stuff only in a single language. I don't believe we have anything like
the resources to do the former effectively, but I see no reason not to
add some language specific areas.

FWIW there's a quite a bunch of people interested in translating stuff
but they don't know what to translate :-) Having translatable wiki
material would rock.

My gut feeling is that 90% or more of the content (which I believe is
well over 100 pages already) will never be translated, so I think we
should just add sections (as I've done for French, German and Spanish)
and let folks fill them up as they like. If they do translate lots of
the existing stuff, great, if they just add their own docs thats cool
too imho. My suspicion is though that we'll get far more authors than
translators.

If it seems like I'm wrong once things have got underway, let me know
and we can rethink how we organise things (I believe there is a
translation module for example).

--
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK Ltd: http://www.enterprisedb.com
PostgreSQL UK 2008 Conference: http://www.postgresql.org.uk

Am Mittwoch, 12. M�rz 2008 schrieb Dave Page:

Yeah, my multi-language skills are poor, but from what I can gather
they're doing a mix of 'same page in different languages' and some
stuff only in a single language. I don't believe we have anything like
the resources to do the former effectively

Neither do they. Hence the mixing.