Database access over the Internet...

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Michelle Konzack
<linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:

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Again, you get to look up the options for major domo to alleviate the problem.

...because using 2-3 differnet databases sucks!

Agreed. especially if they are supposed to hold the same data set.

After IRC'ing with some peoples and discusing about PostgreSQL, MySQL,
SQlite, Oracle Informix and others I like to know, if you use a database
access over the Internet what your experience is with...

Depends. I've used "extranet" connections that worked quite well. If
you can talk your hosting provider(s) into setting them up for you
they're still way cheaper than having monstrous database servers all
over the place.

You can also look into using a VPN connection between hosting centers.
This would go across the regular old internet but have the advantage
of making it look, from a networking perspective, like your machines
were sitting next to each other (except for the increase in latency of
course).

Am 2008-11-07 07:51:37, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Michelle Konzack
<linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:

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Again, you get to look up the options for major domo to alleviate the problem.

What does this have to do, if peoples are bombing my <linux4michelle>
account? I have set my account to "nomail" or "delivery off" but peoples
continuing to send me tonns of PM's as CC.

If you look in the Header of my message you will see, that my access
provider is the german GSM operator O2.

Bombing my public account with useless messages is terroism...

And of course, even if I am set to NOMAIL, I read the messages.
(otherwise I would not able to answer...)

Depends. I've used "extranet" connections that worked quite well. If
you can talk your hosting provider(s) into setting them up for you
they're still way cheaper than having monstrous database servers all
over the place.

You can also look into using a VPN connection between hosting centers.
This would go across the regular old internet but have the advantage
of making it look, from a networking perspective, like your machines
were sitting next to each other (except for the increase in latency of
course).

Hmmm...

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

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On Saturday 08 November 2008 4:37:57 pm Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2008-11-07 07:51:37, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Michelle Konzack

<linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:

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Again, you get to look up the options for major domo to alleviate the
problem.

What does this have to do, if peoples are bombing my <linux4michelle>
account? I have set my account to "nomail" or "delivery off" but peoples
continuing to send me tonns of PM's as CC.

See:
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ.html#item1.15

If you look in the Header of my message you will see, that my access
provider is the german GSM operator O2.

Bombing my public account with useless messages is terroism...

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

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On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Michelle Konzack
<linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:

Am 2008-11-07 07:51:37, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Michelle Konzack
<linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:

************************************************************************
* Do not Cc: me, because I READ THIS LIST, if I write here *
* Keine Cc: am mich, ich LESE DIESE LISTE wenn ich hier schreibe *
************************************************************************

Again, you get to look up the options for major domo to alleviate the problem.

What does this have to do, if peoples are bombing my <linux4michelle>
account? I have set my account to "nomail" or "delivery off" but peoples
continuing to send me tonns of PM's as CC.

If you look in the Header of my message you will see, that my access
provider is the german GSM operator O2.

Bombing my public account with useless messages is terroism...

No, your histrionics aside, it's the way this list works by default,
and for good reason. If you need it to work differently, there's a
setting which has been pointed out to you at two times now. Please
take responsibility for your own life and fix the configuration and
stop whinging.

Am 2008-11-08 17:03:39, schrieb Adrian Klaver:

See:
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ.html#item1.15

And what does this have to do with CC? The CCs come in without
passing the listserver and I do not want this mail!

I want only PM if I request it OR, in case of urgence!

So I add the banner to let peoples know I DO NOT WANT CCS.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

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Am 2008-11-08 19:07:35, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

No, your histrionics aside, it's the way this list works by default,
and for good reason. If you need it to work differently, there's a
setting which has been pointed out to you at two times now. Please
take responsibility for your own life and fix the configuration and
stop whinging.

It does not work since the CCs are coming FROM the sender and NOT from
the mailinglist.

And since most peoples hiting <Reply-All> they should delete my address
from the recipients...

It is very annoying, if I work Outside and must read my WORK E-Mails
with my GSM and haf to walk trough 100 of CCs which are definitively not
important.

And of course, each CC cost me money... 0.009 Euro/kByte.
Getting per day 1 MByte of CC is annoying.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

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On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2008-11-08 17:03:39, schrieb Adrian Klaver:

See:
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ.html#item1.15

And what does this have to do with CC? The CCs come in without
passing the listserver and I do not want this mail!

I want only PM if I request it OR, in case of urgence!

So I add the banner to let peoples know I DO NOT WANT CCS.

You, presumably, want the mail that's sent to the list (if you
don't, go away and stop annoying everyone else).

So, you want one copy of each email sent to the list, rather
than two copies.

So, if the listserver suppresses list email to you in the case
where you've already been CCed on the mail you get...
one copy of each email sent to the list.

Which is what you seem to be claiming you want. All you'd
need to do to get that would be to stop behaving as you are,
read the FAQ you've been pointed at and configure your
majordomo account appropriately.

(If you're doing something different, such as reading the
list solely via usenet or something, then that may not
work for you, but at that point it's your problem).

Cheers,
Steve

On Saturday 08 November 2008, Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2008-11-08 19:07:35, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

No, your histrionics aside, it's the way this list works by default,
and for good reason. If you need it to work differently, there's a
setting which has been pointed out to you at two times now. Please
take responsibility for your own life and fix the configuration and
stop whinging.

It does not work since the CCs are coming FROM the sender and NOT from
the mailinglist.

And since most peoples hiting <Reply-All> they should delete my address
from the recipients...

It is very annoying, if I work Outside and must read my WORK E-Mails
with my GSM and haf to walk trough 100 of CCs which are definitively not
important.

And of course, each CC cost me money... 0.009 Euro/kByte.
Getting per day 1 MByte of CC is annoying.

So basically you want everyone here to accomodate your wishes, just because
you have a GSM plan that sucks? Get yourself a hotmail or google address and
use that to subscribe to this list. Then you can read the responses from a
normal computer when you choose to.

Actually it's polite and pretty much standard to hit "reply all" and I for one
appreciate it when I'm kept on CC, just because originally I was interested
in the topic discussed and I might miss the response otherwise.

It's really not anyone's responsibility to pay attention to this. If you don't
want CC's to your GSM, don't use the GSM's email address to sign up to the
list - simple as that.

Note: I manually took you off the CC - don't want to be the reason you have to
file for bancruptcy.

Uwe

On 09/11/2008 04:32, Uwe C. Schroeder wrote:

Actually it's polite and pretty much standard to hit "reply all" and I for one
appreciate it when I'm kept on CC, just because originally I was interested
in the topic discussed and I might miss the response otherwise.

There's also the fact that people quite often post to the list without
actually being subscribed - so if there were no CC they'd never get an
answer to their question.

Ray.

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Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2008-11-08 19:07:35, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

No, your histrionics aside, it's the way this list works by default,
and for good reason. If you need it to work differently, there's a
setting which has been pointed out to you at two times now. Please
take responsibility for your own life and fix the configuration and
stop whinging.

It does not work since the CCs are coming FROM the sender and NOT from
the mailinglist.

I'm thinking that if you check the setting per the faq that has been pointed
out, that majordomo will note that you've been cc'd directly, and so will not
send you the copy from the mailing list.

And what does this have to do with CC? The CCs come in without
passing the listserver and I do not want this mail!

And if someone makes a mistake and accidentally emails you directly, WHILE
TRYING TO HELP YOU AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, perhaps you should react
gracefully instead of being a whiny rude jackass.

This message sent to the list at your request ;-)

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Scott Ribe <scott_ribe@killerbytes.com> wrote:

And what does this have to do with CC? The CCs come in without
passing the listserver and I do not want this mail!

And if someone makes a mistake and accidentally emails you directly, WHILE
TRYING TO HELP YOU AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, perhaps you should react
gracefully instead of being a whiny rude jackass.

What's mess up is that the solution given the user DOES work. She
just refuses to try it, because she assumes that the mailing list
server doesn't see the exact same CC list as her email server. Well,
it does, and it then drops the message outbound for her so she ONLY
gets it from the original sender.

What's mess up is that the solution given the user DOES work.

What's messed up is that a person asking for free help from a group of
volunteers would insistently place unusual restrictions on how she will
accept that help, then lecture those who tried to help but hadn't noticed
her specific terms.

I wouldn't have been nearly as harsh in my reply, probably wouldn't have
replied at all, if she hadn't referred to the email coming to her as
"terrorism". Now granted English may not be her first language so I'll
assume that's a poor translation and she really meant something closer to
"harassment". But even so, her position is outstandingly absurd, to accuse
people of harassing her for attempting to answer her question.

Perhaps someone should speak to her about the advantages of MySQL?

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Am 2008-11-15 09:53:15, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

What's mess up is that the solution given the user DOES work. She
just refuses to try it, because she assumes that the mailing list
server doesn't see the exact same CC list as her email server. Well,
it does, and it then drops the message outbound for her so she ONLY
gets it from the original sender.

You did not understand the problem!!!!!!!!

My Mailbox which I use for my business is bombed by over 50.000 spams
per day and I do already heavy filtering. I have to read my mail while
I am @work which mean, MOBILE using my cellphone connected to my Laptop.

Since I read the List ove another channel AND already filtering my own
threads (and convert it into a form which is much smaller then E-Mails)
to get rid of the rest from the list since I am subscribed to over 120
mailinglists and need less then 3% from it...

So, peoples now sending me PMs does not help, since it DoS my system and
make it harder for me to work since I have to walk through this messages
I do not need because I have it already seen.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Michelle Konzack
<linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:

Am 2008-11-15 09:53:15, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

What's mess up is that the solution given the user DOES work. She
just refuses to try it, because she assumes that the mailing list
server doesn't see the exact same CC list as her email server. Well,
it does, and it then drops the message outbound for her so she ONLY
gets it from the original sender.

You did not understand the problem!!!!!!!!

My Mailbox which I use for my business is bombed by over 50.000 spams
per day and I do already heavy filtering. I have to read my mail while
I am @work which mean, MOBILE using my cellphone connected to my Laptop.

These two requirements seem at odds. If you read your email on laptop
connected via cell phones then you don't need to be anywhere except
somewhere that has cell phone coverage.

Since I read the List ove another channel AND already filtering my own
threads (and convert it into a form which is much smaller then E-Mails)
to get rid of the rest from the list since I am subscribed to over 120
mailinglists and need less then 3% from it...

So, what other method is this? I still don't understand the problem.
In your haste to send out an email explaining it to me, you've failed
to really explain it. If you send the eliminatecc command to the
mailing list server it won't send you an email. Are you saying you
read this list some other way than a subscription to the mailing list?
Because you said quite clearly in your first message you WERE
subscribed to this list. So, are you subscribed through another
account? Read through USENET? If you are subscribed via this account,
and are getting an email from the user and the list, eliminatecc will
work. Otherwise, no.

So, peoples now sending me PMs does not help, since it DoS my system and
make it harder for me to work since I have to walk through this messages
I do not need because I have it already seen.

WHERE have you already seen them. I'm still not understanding. If
you're gonna subscribe to a list, do so with an email account that can
handle being sent emails. One that breaks from the relatively low
traffic generated by a conversation on this list can't be even a small
percentage of the real spam it must already get.

You did not understand the problem!!!!!!!!

1) You did not explain the problem.

2) It's your problem, not ours. Your demand that thousands of other people
adapt to your unusual problem is absurdly self-absorbed. Get decent email
service, then subscribe from there. (Or go away. Either works for the
members of this list, so it's really your choice.)

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Michelle, I don't think the list is going to change its operations for
one disgruntled user. Since you seem unwilling or unable to employ
the advice already given, maybe your only acceptable option is to
unsubscribe from the list. At least that would eliminate much of the
noise that currently is cluttering everyone's inboxes.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net>
To: <pgsql-general@postgresql.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Database access over the Internet...

On Nov 16, 2008, at 2:41 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2008-11-15 09:53:15, schrieb Scott Marlowe:

What's mess up is that the solution given the user DOES work. She
just refuses to try it, because she assumes that the mailing list
server doesn't see the exact same CC list as her email server. Well,
it does, and it then drops the message outbound for her so she ONLY
gets it from the original sender.

You did not understand the problem!!!!!!!!

My Mailbox which I use for my business is bombed by over 50.000
spams
per day and I do already heavy filtering. I have to read my mail
while
I am @work which mean, MOBILE using my cellphone connected to my
Laptop.

Since I read the List ove another channel AND already filtering my
own
threads (and convert it into a form which is much smaller then E-
Mails)
to get rid of the rest from the list since I am subscribed to over
120
mailinglists and need less then 3% from it...

So, peoples now sending me PMs does not help, since it DoS my system
and
make it harder for me to work since I have to walk through this
messages
I do not need because I have it already seen.

Well, go away then.

If you are too cheap to receive emails in answer to your questions,
stop asking questions.

This is not a support channel you should consider using until you
learn enough courtesy and basic competence with email to interact
in public.

Cheers,
Steve