Does enterprisedb.com down?

I ran the IP on http://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check and it is
not blacklisted.

On Jun 15, 2010, at 6:53 AM, M. Bashir Al-Noimi wrote:

John Gage wrote:

I ran the IP on http://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check and it is
not blacklisted.

On Jun 15, 2010, at 6:53 AM, M. Bashir Al-Noimi wrote:

Now I wondering does postgresql forbids my country or not?, is it
open source or something else?

maybe an ISP between point A and point B is blocking Syria, they are
still on the US Government's technical embargo list, aren't they?

May be you will be able to get one that is not blocked from the ftp sites
list? I don't know if the rules applicable to main server are
automatically applied to the mirror sites too.
http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/download/mirrors-ftp
Regards,
Jayadevan

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On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:21 PM, M. Bashir Al-Noimi <admin@mbnoimi.net> wrote:

So I wish to get a clarification about this issue, does pg forbids my
country? is it still open source?

Can you get to postgresql.org? Cause that is pg. enterprisedb is NOT
pg, it is a commercial company that provides a lot of services for the
pg community. Not the same thing.

On 15/06/2010 06:00 ?, John Gage wrote:

I ran the IP on http://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check and it is
not blacklisted.

Actually I _*suspect*_ that pg takes same policy of sf.net where sf.net
forbids open source projects to specific countries as mentioned in the
following links (for that I migrated my projects from sf.net to
Launchpad <https://launchpad.net/&gt; because sf.net works against FOSS):
http://arabcrunch.com/2010/01/following-clintons-internet-freedom-speech-us-based-sourceforge-blocked-syria-sudan-iran-korea-cuba-is-open-source-still-really-open.html
http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access-for-certain-persons-in-accordance-with-us-law/
http://sourceforge.net/blog/some-good-news-sourceforge-removes-blanket-blocking/

So I wish to get a clarification about this issue, does pg forbids my
country? is it still open source?

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All the mirrors work except the enterprisedb.com itself.

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Jayadevan M
<Jayadevan.Maymala@ibsplc.com>wrote:

May be you will be able to get one that is not blocked from the ftp sites
list? I don't know if the rules applicable to main server are
automatically applied to the mirror sites too.
http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/download/mirrors-ftp
Regards,
Jayadevan

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On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 07:21, M. Bashir Al-Noimi <admin@mbnoimi.net> wrote:

On 15/06/2010 06:00 ص, John Gage wrote:

I ran the IP on http://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check and it is not
blacklisted.

Actually I suspect that pg takes same policy of sf.net where sf.net forbids
open source projects to specific countries as mentioned in the following
links (for that I migrated  my projects from sf.net to Launchpad because
sf.net works against FOSS):
http://arabcrunch.com/2010/01/following-clintons-internet-freedom-speech-us-based-sourceforge-blocked-syria-sudan-iran-korea-cuba-is-open-source-still-really-open.html
http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access-for-certain-persons-in-accordance-with-us-law/
http://sourceforge.net/blog/some-good-news-sourceforge-removes-blanket-blocking/

So I wish to get a clarification about this issue, does pg forbids my
country? is it still open source?

PostgreSQL does *not* forbid your country. As you showed further down
this thread, you can reach the main website and mirror systems, so
that's not where the problem is. But you wanted a statement on it.

This is, however, the second report in just a couple of days of people
not being able to reach the windows downloads that are hosted by
EnterpriseDB (I assume you are looking for the Windows downloads - if
you're actually looking for EnterpriseDB's commercial product, you
need to talk to them and not us). This indicates a real problem.

Can someone from EnterpriseDB (hi, Dave!) verify with their provider
that they do *not* intentionally or unintentionally prevent people
from downloading the software based on their location?

Unfortunately, there are no backup download locations available for
the windows installers, but you can always download the source off the
postgresql.org mirrors and build your own binaries.

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Me: http://www.hagander.net/
Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/

Thanks All, this thread moved now to another mailing list for discussing
this problem with EnterpriseDB folks (Bruce Momjian and others).

2010/6/15 Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net>

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 07:21, M. Bashir Al-Noimi <admin@mbnoimi.net>
wrote:

On 15/06/2010 06:00 ص, John Gage wrote:

I ran the IP on http://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check and it is

not

blacklisted.

Actually I suspect that pg takes same policy of sf.net where sf.netforbids
open source projects to specific countries as mentioned in the following
links (for that I migrated my projects from sf.net to Launchpad because
sf.net works against FOSS):

http://arabcrunch.com/2010/01/following-clintons-internet-freedom-speech-us-based-sourceforge-blocked-syria-sudan-iran-korea-cuba-is-open-source-still-really-open.html

http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access-for-certain-persons-in-accordance-with-us-law/

http://sourceforge.net/blog/some-good-news-sourceforge-removes-blanket-blocking/

So I wish to get a clarification about this issue, does pg forbids my
country? is it still open source?

PostgreSQL does *not* forbid your country. As you showed further down
this thread, you can reach the main website and mirror systems, so
that's not where the problem is. But you wanted a statement on it.

This is, however, the second report in just a couple of days of people
not being able to reach the windows downloads that are hosted by
EnterpriseDB (I assume you are looking for the Windows downloads - if
you're actually looking for EnterpriseDB's commercial product, you
need to talk to them and not us). This indicates a real problem.

Can someone from EnterpriseDB (hi, Dave!) verify with their provider
that they do *not* intentionally or unintentionally prevent people
from downloading the software based on their location?

Unfortunately, there are no backup download locations available for
the windows installers, but you can always download the source off the
postgresql.org mirrors and build your own binaries.

--
Magnus Hagander
Me: http://www.hagander.net/
Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/

--
Best Regards
Muhammad Bashir Al-Noimi
My Blog: http://mbnoimi.net

Jayadevan M wrote:

May be you will be able to get one that is not blocked from the ftp sites
list? I don't know if the rules applicable to main server are
automatically applied to the mirror sites too.
http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/download/mirrors-ftp

The EnterpriseDB binaries are not on the community ftp servers, and
can't be because some of the community servers are in the USA, and those
USA servers might not block embargoed countries. The on-click
installers are unique because they embed OpenSSL, while things like PRMs
use the OpenSSL library in the operating system.

--
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com

+ None of us is going to be here forever. +

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:21 AM, M. Bashir Al-Noimi <admin@mbnoimi.net> wrote:

So I wish to get a clarification about this issue, does pg forbids my
country? is it still open source?

enterprisedb.com != postgres open source project. postgres as far as
i know has no restrictions on who may use it anywhere in the universe
as long as they abide by the license.

Hello,

The EnterpriseDB binaries are not on the community ftp servers, and
can't be because some of the community servers are in the USA, and those
USA servers might not block embargoed countries.

Thanks for the clarification. We are in a very early stage of evaluating
EnterpriseDB for our product and the information may have some relevance.
So EnterpriseDB products can't be provided to clients based in embargoed
countries?

Regards,
Jayadevan

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Jayadevan M wrote:

Hello,

The EnterpriseDB binaries are not on the community ftp servers, and
can't be because some of the community servers are in the USA, and those
USA servers might not block embargoed countries.

Thanks for the clarification. We are in a very early stage of evaluating
EnterpriseDB for our product and the information may have some relevance.
So EnterpriseDB products can't be provided to clients based in embargoed
countries?

Uh, I don't know. However, I talked to Dave Page today and he is making
progress on understanding how things can be done better, and Peter
mentioned that Debian is doing some things that look promising, so I
hope things will be improved soon.

--
Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> http://momjian.us
EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com

+ None of us is going to be here forever. +

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 05:48, Jayadevan M <Jayadevan.Maymala@ibsplc.com> wrote:

Hello,

The EnterpriseDB binaries are not on the community ftp servers, and
can't be because some of the community servers are in the USA, and those
USA servers might not block embargoed countries.

Thanks for the clarification. We are in a very early stage of evaluating
EnterpriseDB for our product and the information may have some relevance.
So EnterpriseDB products can't be provided to clients based in embargoed
countries?

From what I can tell, the EnterpriseDB products will not be provided,
no, because EnterpriseDB is a US company and bound by US laws.

The opensource PostgreSQL product - which happen to have it's win32
installers distributed by EnterpriseDB and thus blocked - is
definitely available. If you require support or consultancy around it
you will probably need to find a non-US company for that, but there
are plenty of those around both in Europe and elsewhere. Only the
installer is the issue there.

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Me: http://www.hagander.net/
Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/