Stability in Windows?

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#1Durumdara
durumdara@gmail.com

Hi!

We planned to port some very old DBASE db into PGSQL.

But somebody said in a developer list that he tried with PGSQL (8.x) and it
was very unstable in Windows (and it have problem when many users use it).

Another people also said that they used PGSQL only in Linux - and there is
no problem with it, only some patches needed for speeding up writes...

What is your experience in this theme?

Do you also have same experience in Windows?

The user number is from 20 to up 100 (concurrently).

Thanks for your every idea, help, link, information about this.

Regards:
dd

#2Michael Gould
mgould@isstrucksoftware.net
In reply to: Durumdara (#1)
Re: Stability in Windows?

We are using it on a rather beefy server with no problems with a Win32
client/server app. There are additonal things you can do to tune the
database. I've not seen any stability problems. Remember it's been
several years since version 8 came out and the current version is 9.1.2.

Michael Gould
Intermodal Software Solutions, LLC
904-226-0978

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GENERAL] Stability in Windows?
From: Durumdara <durumdara@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, February 24, 2012 8:39 am
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org

Hi!

We planned to port some very old DBASE db into PGSQL.

But somebody said in a developer list that he tried with PGSQL (8.x) and
it was very unstable in Windows (and it have problem when many users use
it).

Another people also said that they used PGSQL only in Linux - and there
is no problem with it, only some patches needed for speeding up
writes...

What is your experience in this theme?

Do you also have same experience in Windows?

The user number is from 20 to up 100 (concurrently).

Thanks for your every idea, help, link, information about this.

Regards:
dd

#3Serge Fonville
serge.fonville@gmail.com
In reply to: Michael Gould (#2)
Re: Stability in Windows?

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Google!!
They need to add GAL support on Android (star to agree)
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4602

2012/2/24 <mgould@isstrucksoftware.net>

Show quoted text

We are using it on a rather beefy server with no problems with a Win32
client/server app. There are additonal things you can do to tune the
database. I've not seen any stability problems. Remember it's been
several years since version 8 came out and the current version is 9.1.2.

Michael Gould
Intermodal Software Solutions, LLC
904-226-0978

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GENERAL] Stability in Windows?
From: Durumdara <durumdara@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, February 24, 2012 8:39 am
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org

Hi!

We planned to port some very old DBASE db into PGSQL.

But somebody said in a developer list that he tried with PGSQL (8.x) and
it was very unstable in Windows (and it have problem when many users use
it).

Another people also said that they used PGSQL only in Linux - and there
is no problem with it, only some patches needed for speeding up
writes...

What is your experience in this theme?

Do you also have same experience in Windows?

The user number is from 20 to up 100 (concurrently).

Thanks for your every idea, help, link, information about this.

Regards:
dd

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#4Durumdara
durumdara@gmail.com
In reply to: Michael Gould (#2)
Re: Stability in Windows?

Hi!

2012/2/24 <mgould@isstrucksoftware.net>

We are using it on a rather beefy server with no problems with a Win32
client/server app.

Which programming language you use in clients? Which adapter?

If Delphi then which components?

There are additonal things you can do to tune the
database.

Some word please about it!

I've not seen any stability problems. Remember it's been
several years since version 8 came out and the current version is 9.1.2.

How many users use it concurrently?

Thanks for your info:
dd

#5Scott Marlowe
scott.marlowe@gmail.com
In reply to: Michael Gould (#2)
Re: Stability in Windows?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:53 AM, <mgould@isstrucksoftware.net> wrote:

We are using it on a rather beefy server with no problems with a Win32
client/server app.  There are additonal things you can do to tune the
database.  I've not seen any stability problems.  Remember it's been
several years since version 8 came out and the current version is 9.1.2.

Also there were known, unfixable architecture bugs in 8.1 windows
pgsql and it was abandoned because of that.

Generally, stability is pretty good as long as you don't get the
dreaded "could not reattach to shared memory" issue. Not sure if that
ever got truly fixed or not. Performance on the other hand, is where
running on unix or linux is a big help. For 20 windows should be
fine. For 200 I'd rather run it on linux.

#6Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
In reply to: Durumdara (#1)
Re: Stability in Windows?

On Friday, February 24, 2012 7:39:39 am Durumdara wrote:

Hi!

We planned to port some very old DBASE db into PGSQL.

But somebody said in a developer list that he tried with PGSQL (8.x) and it
was very unstable in Windows (and it have problem when many users use it).

The first native Windows port was 8.0 and I think it is generally agreed it did
not settle until 8.2. Since then it is stable and in wide use.

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#7Serge Fonville
serge.fonville@gmail.com
In reply to: Serge Fonville (#3)
Re: Stability in Windows?

Doesn't
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Running_%26_Installing_PostgreSQL_On_Native_Windows#I_cannot_run_with_more_than_about_125_connections_at_once.2C_despite_having_capable_hardware
apply?

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Google!!
They need to add GAL support on Android (star to agree)
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4602

2012/2/24 Serge Fonville <serge.fonville@gmail.com>

Show quoted text

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Google!!
They need to add GAL support on Android (star to agree)
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4602

2012/2/24 <mgould@isstrucksoftware.net>

We are using it on a rather beefy server with no problems with a Win32

client/server app. There are additonal things you can do to tune the
database. I've not seen any stability problems. Remember it's been
several years since version 8 came out and the current version is 9.1.2.

Michael Gould
Intermodal Software Solutions, LLC
904-226-0978

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GENERAL] Stability in Windows?
From: Durumdara <durumdara@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, February 24, 2012 8:39 am
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org

Hi!

We planned to port some very old DBASE db into PGSQL.

But somebody said in a developer list that he tried with PGSQL (8.x) and
it was very unstable in Windows (and it have problem when many users use
it).

Another people also said that they used PGSQL only in Linux - and there
is no problem with it, only some patches needed for speeding up
writes...

What is your experience in this theme?

Do you also have same experience in Windows?

The user number is from 20 to up 100 (concurrently).

Thanks for your every idea, help, link, information about this.

Regards:
dd

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#8Magnus Hagander
magnus@hagander.net
In reply to: Scott Marlowe (#5)
Re: Stability in Windows?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 17:05, Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:53 AM,  <mgould@isstrucksoftware.net> wrote:

We are using it on a rather beefy server with no problems with a Win32
client/server app.  There are additonal things you can do to tune the
database.  I've not seen any stability problems.  Remember it's been
several years since version 8 came out and the current version is 9.1.2.

Also there were known, unfixable architecture bugs in 8.1 windows
pgsql and it was abandoned because of that.

Generally, stability is pretty good as long as you don't get the
dreaded "could not reattach to shared memory" issue.  Not sure if that

We believe that issue has been fixed. And I don't recall having heard
any such bug reports at all since the last fix went in....

There might still be some cornercase of course, but in general it
should be solved.

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#9Igor Neyman
ineyman@perceptron.com
In reply to: Serge Fonville (#7)
Re: Stability in Windows?

"125_connections" - this is a problem related to "older" PG versions
(and in my own experience, the number is closer to 230, not 125), and I
believe it was fixed in newer versions.

Besides, it's much more efficient to use connection pulling (PgBouncer,
PgPool), when dealing with that many connections.

For last 5 years we are running PG on many, many (hundreds) servers
under WIN, and we have no complains regarding PG stability.

Regards,

Igor Neyman

From: Serge Fonville [mailto:serge.fonville@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:07 AM
To: mgould@isstrucksoftware.net
Cc: Durumdara; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Stability in Windows?

Doesn't
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Running_%26_Installing_PostgreSQL_On_Nat
ive_Windows#I_cannot_run_with_more_than_about_125_connections_at_once.2C
_despite_having_capable_hardware apply?

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Google!!
They need to add GAL support on Android (star to agree)
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4602

2012/2/24 Serge Fonville <serge.fonville@gmail.com>

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Google!!
They need to add GAL support on Android (star to agree)
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4602

2012/2/24 <mgould@isstrucksoftware.net>

We are using it on a rather beefy server with no problems with a
Win32
client/server app. There are additonal things you can do to
tune the
database. I've not seen any stability problems. Remember it's
been
several years since version 8 came out and the current version
is 9.1.2.

Michael Gould
Intermodal Software Solutions, LLC
904-226-0978

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GENERAL] Stability in Windows?
From: Durumdara <durumdara@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, February 24, 2012 8:39 am
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org

Hi!

We planned to port some very old DBASE db into PGSQL.

But somebody said in a developer list that he tried with PGSQL
(8.x) and
it was very unstable in Windows (and it have problem when many
users use
it).

Another people also said that they used PGSQL only in Linux -
and there
is no problem with it, only some patches needed for speeding up
writes...

What is your experience in this theme?

Do you also have same experience in Windows?

The user number is from 20 to up 100 (concurrently).

Thanks for your every idea, help, link, information about this.

Regards:
dd

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#10Scott Marlowe
scott.marlowe@gmail.com
In reply to: Igor Neyman (#9)
Re: Stability in Windows?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Igor Neyman <ineyman@perceptron.com> wrote:

“125_connections” – this is a problem related to “older” PG versions (and in
my own experience, the number is closer to 230, not 125), and I believe it
was fixed in newer versions.

Besides, it’s much more efficient to use connection pulling (PgBouncer,
PgPool), when dealing with that many connections.

Agreed. Note that in some big environments you're using pgbouncer to
reduce thousands of connections to a few hundred. In those instances.
At that point having 40+ cores and running on unix becomes necessary
for performance with pgsql.

#11Gavin Flower
GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz
In reply to: Durumdara (#1)
Re: Stability in Windows?

On 25/02/12 04:39, Durumdara wrote:

Hi!

We planned to port some very old DBASE db into PGSQL.

But somebody said in a developer list that he tried with PGSQL (8.x)
and it was very unstable in Windows (and it have problem when many
users use it).

Another people also said that they used PGSQL only in Linux - and
there is no problem with it, only some patches needed for speeding up
writes...

What is your experience in this theme?

Do you also have same experience in Windows?

The user number is from 20 to up 100 (concurrently).

Thanks for your every idea, help, link, information about this.

Regards:
dd

Hmm...

I have heard that PostgreSQL is stable on a Microsoft O/S, but Linux
tends be a lot faster and more reliable than any Microsoft O/S. Which
is probably why you hear people saying they use Linux for PostgreSQL -
it is more a comment about Microsoft software quality.

Cheers,
Gavin