New website
I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an
elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands.
Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first.
Will reserve judgment on the site design until it is functioning.
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
wrote:
I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an
elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands.
Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will
reserve judgment on the site design until it is functioning.
This is more appropriately directed to pgsql-www
I cannot confirm the observed behavior only a couple minutes after
receiving your initial email.
David J.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
wrote:
I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an
elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands.
Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will
reserve judgment on the site design until it is functioning.
Those links work fine for me on the new site. I haven't hit any issues yet
in my casual click-testing.
--
Don Seiler
www.seiler.us
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant
head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have
been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve
judgment on the site design until it is functioning.
I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a
website design. It took years to launch this website redesign.
Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen.
Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo
links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many
non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main
PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at
https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git.
--
Peter Geoghegan
On 04/18/2018 03:06 PM, David G. Johnston wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com <mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>>wrote:I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an
elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate
lands. Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for
testing first. Will reserve judgment on the site design until it is
functioning.This is more appropriately directed to pgsql-www
I cannot confirm the observed behavior only a couple minutes after
receiving your initial email.
The links are working now after forcing site reload over a period of time.
David J.
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant
head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have
been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve
judgment on the site design until it is functioning.I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a
website design. It took years to launch this website redesign.
Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen.
See here:
Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo
links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many
non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main
PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at
https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git.
--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant
head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have
been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve
judgment on the site design until it is functioning.I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a
website design. It took years to launch this website redesign.
Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen.Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo
links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many
non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main
PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at
https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git.
And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most
important links) you have to:
Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then
scroll to the bottom of page to find the search box.
I am one of the No votes in the survey.
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant
head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have
been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve
judgment on the site design until it is functioning.I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a
website design. It took years to launch this website redesign.
Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen.
Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo
links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many
non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main
PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at
https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git.And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important links) you have to:
We designed the website with 3 user profiles:
- New to PostgreSQL
- Users
- Hackers
These are 3 very different experiences. It’s hard
to find a balance for all of these different needs.
When we analyzed the traffic we opted to make
various trade offs based on what the most
accessed pages.
We did note that the people who need to access
the mailing list archives know how to get there.
The nice thing about a website is that it is easy
to iterate over and we can rapidly add things in
should they be necessary.
Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll to the bottom of page to find the search box.
I am one of the No votes in the survey.
I’m sorry to hear that. However based on our data
we opted to focus optimizing the experience for
getting people using PostgreSQL in their apps to
the right places. If you have constructive feedback
on how we can improve in other areas I’m happy to
listen. As someone who does answer webmaster@postgresql.org feel free
to reach out.
Jonathan
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important
links) you have to:Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll
to the bottom of page to find the search box.
I look at the mailing list archives as much as anyone else does, and I
don't think that it's very important for it to have prominent
placement. Even still, the only difference here is the scrolling. It
has fundamentally the same structure as before.
I am one of the No votes in the survey.
This sounds pretty far from constructive to me, which automatically
detracts from what you're saying.
--
Peter Geoghegan
On 04/18/2018 05:22 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:40 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
On 04/18/2018 03:07 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an elephant
head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands. Might have
been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first. Will reserve
judgment on the site design until it is functioning.I really don't think it's practical to give everyone a veto on a
website design. It took years to launch this website redesign.
Honestly, I was beginning to think that it would never happen.
Anyway, I did notice something myself, which is that the git logo
links to https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/, which has many
non-very-important git repos. Instead, it should point to the main
PostgreSQL repository's gitweb page, which is at
https://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=postgresql.git.And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important links) you have to:
We designed the website with 3 user profiles:
- New to PostgreSQL > - Users
- Hackers >
These are 3 very different experiences. It’s hard
to find a balance for all of these different needs.When we analyzed the traffic we opted to make
various trade offs based on what the most
accessed pages.We did note that the people who need to access
the mailing list archives know how to get there.
Under the old system. In the new system it took me a bunch of clicking
around to find the new location.
The nice thing about a website is that it is easy
to iterate over and we can rapidly add things in
should they be necessary.Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll to the bottom of page to find the search box.
I am one of the No votes in the survey.
I’m sorry to hear that. However based on our data
we opted to focus optimizing the experience for
getting people using PostgreSQL in their apps to
the right places. If you have constructive feedback
on how we can improve in other areas I’m happy to
listen. As someone who does answer webmaster@postgresql.org feel free
to reach out.
To start:
Home Page
Picture(its a nice picture) takes up a third page of the page to display
two buttons. One Download replicates the tab just above. The second 'New
to Postgrsql? replicates the section just below it.
New to PostgreSQL? should be in the tabs above. Not sure why it is more
important then the News buried down at the bottom:
"
PostgreSQL 10.3 Released!
This release centers around added documentation that describes
CVE-2018-1058 and how to take steps to mitigate the impact on PostgreSQL
databases. There are also several bug fixes included in the release. All
users using the affected versions of PostgreSQL should update as soon as
possible.
"
Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to page
that includes the archives.
The acres of white space needs to be eliminated to bring information
closer together and eliminate wear and tear on the scroll wheel.
Jonathan
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On 04/18/2018 05:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:And to get to the mailing list archives(arguably one of the most important
links) you have to:Click on Community, click on Mailing Lists on the left sidebar, then scroll
to the bottom of page to find the search box.I look at the mailing list archives as much as anyone else does, and I
don't think that it's very important for it to have prominent
placement. Even still, the only difference here is the scrolling. It
has fundamentally the same structure as before.I am one of the No votes in the survey.
This sounds pretty far from constructive to me, which automatically
detracts from what you're saying.
The same could be said of a survey that only has single Yes/No question
and no provision for drilling down to what works or does not work for
you. At any rate see my reply to Jonathan for my initial critique.
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
Hi Adrian,
I had the same problem too, but only on Chrome
Regards,
Enrico
Il 19/04/2018 00:03, Adrian Klaver ha scritto:
I would contact the Webmaster but Contact goes to a big image of an
elephant head. That is also where Downloads, Support and Donate lands.
Might have been a good idea to roll out a demo site for testing first.
Will reserve judgment on the site design until it is functioning.
--
Enrico Pirozzi
NBS Group S.r.l.
via Val Tiberina 23/A
63074, San Benedetto del Tronto (AP)
Tel. 0735-7626201
On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to page that includes the archives.
We’ve added a button that brings you to the archives from the homepage.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On 04/20/2018 11:33 AM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
<mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>> wrote:Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to
page that includes the archives.We’ve added a button that brings you to the archives from the homepage.
Thanks.
While we are on the subject of Mailing Lists, it would help new users if
they could see the list choices and what each list covers. Basically
what you see when you go to the Archive section. As it is now going here:
is a leap into the unknown:)
Thanks,
Jonathan
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
On Apr 20, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
On 04/20/2018 11:33 AM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com <mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>> wrote:
Clicking on the Mailing List link on front page should take you to page that includes the archives.
We’ve added a button that brings you to the archives from the homepage.
Thanks.
While we are on the subject of Mailing Lists, it would help new users if they could see the list choices and what each list covers. Basically what you see when you go to the Archive section. As it is now going here:
is a leap into the unknown:)
Yeah…this may comes as a surprise, but we’ve had some off-list discussions
about that ;-)
This may be something to move to -www but we now have a situation where we
have information about mailing lists in 3 separate apps:
pgweb
pgarchives
pglister
In which all 3 serve different purposes and we need to iron out the workflow
a bit more between all 3.
Jonathan
On 04/20/2018 02:10 PM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
While we are on the subject of Mailing Lists, it would help new users if they could see the list choices and what each list covers. Basically what you see when you go to the Archive section. As it is now going here:
is a leap into the unknown:)
Yeah…this may comes as a surprise, but we’ve had some off-list discussions
about that ;-)This may be something to move to -www but we now have a situation where we
I can take a hint:)
have information about mailing lists in 3 separate apps:
pgweb
pgarchives
pglisterIn which all 3 serve different purposes and we need to iron out the workflow
a bit more between all 3.Jonathan
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com