MS Access Frontend
I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be easier on
my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked online for some
tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only pick up after Access is
connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if someone knew of some updated
material that they could point me to or maybe walk me through it. I have
used Access quite a bit years ago and things have changed since then. I know
I must install the ODBC drivers, which I have already done. I have already
setup the DSN and I clicked on test and it says everything is fine. I know
that my next step has something to do with Linked Tables in Access, but I am
not sure how to set it up. I guess that is where I start to need help. The
client computers using the frontend will be running Windows 10 and Office
365, both are updated to the latest versions.
Thank you,
Jason L. Amerson
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On 11/29/19 9:23 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be easier
on my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked online for
some tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only pick up after
Access is connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if someone knew of
some updated material that they could point me to or maybe walk me
through it. I have used Access quite a bit years ago and things have
changed since then. I know I must install the ODBC drivers, which I have
already done. I have already setup the DSN and I clicked on test and it
says everything is fine. I know that my next step has something to do
with Linked Tables in Access, but I am not sure how to set it up. I
guess that is where I start to need help. The client computers using the
frontend will be running Windows 10 and Office 365, both are updated to
the latest versions.
This might help:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797
Thank you,
Jason L. Amerson
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On 29/11/2019 17:30, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 11/29/19 9:23 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be
easier on my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked
online for some tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only
pick up after Access is connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if
someone knew of some updated material that they could point me to or
maybe walk me through it. I have used Access quite a bit years ago
and things have changed since then. I know I must install the ODBC
drivers, which I have already done. I have already setup the DSN and
I clicked on test and it says everything is fine. I know that my next
step has something to do with Linked Tables in Access, but I am not
sure how to set it up. I guess that is where I start to need help.
The client computers using the frontend will be running Windows 10
and Office 365, both are updated to the latest versions.This might help:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797
Thank you,
Jason L. Amerson
That will help you manage once you have created some linked tables, but
to create them:
1) Click "External Data" from the top Access menu, then "New data
source" on the left
2) Pick "From other sources" at the bottom and as you correctly
identified "ODBC Database".
3) From the dialogue box, change the default of the two options to the
bottom one "Link....by creating linked table"
4) Next pick your created DSN from the "Select data source" dialog
5) You should then see the list of tables etc from your Postgres database
Troubleshooting; make sure you have an ODBC 32 or 64 bit version
matching the 32 or 64 bit MS Access installed.
If you use any security at the MS Access level you will need to set up a
simultaneously shared central system.mdw file in some repository. Don't
try to get more than 6-7 people using this at the same time, it breaks.
Good luck.
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On 30/11/2019 19:04, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later. So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on them and just use a different client.
Jason L. Amerson
+1
Libreoffice has a quick and easy database front end. Not great but functional and effort free.
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On 11/30/19 3:15 AM, Tim Clarke wrote:
On 29/11/2019 17:30, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 11/29/19 9:23 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be
easier on my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked
online for some tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only
pick up after Access is connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if
someone knew of some updated material that they could point me to or
maybe walk me through it. I have used Access quite a bit years ago
and things have changed since then. I know I must install the ODBC
drivers, which I have already done. I have already setup the DSN and
I clicked on test and it says everything is fine. I know that my next
step has something to do with Linked Tables in Access, but I am not
sure how to set it up. I guess that is where I start to need help.
The client computers using the frontend will be running Windows 10
and Office 365, both are updated to the latest versions.This might help:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Manage-linked-tables-1d9346d6-953d-4f85-a9ce-4caec2262797
Thank you,
Jason L. Amerson
That will help you manage once you have created some linked tables, but
to create them:
Which is covered in the above:
1) Click "External Data" from the top Access menu, then "New data
source" on the left2) Pick "From other sources" at the bottom and as you correctly
identified "ODBC Database".3) From the dialogue box, change the default of the two options to the
bottom one "Link....by creating linked table"4) Next pick your created DSN from the "Select data source" dialog
5) You should then see the list of tables etc from your Postgres database
Troubleshooting; make sure you have an ODBC 32 or 64 bit version
matching the 32 or 64 bit MS Access installed.If you use any security at the MS Access level you will need to set up a
simultaneously shared central system.mdw file in some repository. Don't
try to get more than 6-7 people using this at the same time, it breaks.Good luck.
--
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IT Director
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Leaving aside the question of money, a frontend like AquaData Studio or the equivalent program by Jetbrains would be a much better solution. I used to work with Access a lot and quite liked it. But AquaData Studio is not any more difficult to learn and gives you access to everything Postgress can do.
I haven't used the Jetbrains version, which is cheaper.
On 11/30/19, 8:53 AM, "Adrian Klaver" <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
On 11/30/19 3:15 AM, Tim Clarke wrote:
On 29/11/2019 17:30, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 11/29/19 9:23 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be
easier on my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked
online for some tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only
pick up after Access is connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if
someone knew of some updated material that they could point me to or
maybe walk me through it. I have used Access quite a bit years ago
and things have changed since then. I know I must install the ODBC
drivers, which I have already done. I have already setup the DSN and
I clicked on test and it says everything is fine. I know that my next
step has something to do with Linked Tables in Access, but I am not
sure how to set it up. I guess that is where I start to need help.
The client computers using the frontend will be running Windows 10
and Office 365, both are updated to the latest versions.This might help:
Thank you,
Jason L. Amerson
That will help you manage once you have created some linked tables, but
to create them:
Which is covered in the above:
1) Click "External Data" from the top Access menu, then "New data
source" on the left2) Pick "From other sources" at the bottom and as you correctly
identified "ODBC Database".3) From the dialogue box, change the default of the two options to the
bottom one "Link....by creating linked table"4) Next pick your created DSN from the "Select data source" dialog
5) You should then see the list of tables etc from your Postgres database
Troubleshooting; make sure you have an ODBC 32 or 64 bit version
matching the 32 or 64 bit MS Access installed.If you use any security at the MS Access level you will need to set up a
simultaneously shared central system.mdw file in some repository. Don't
try to get more than 6-7 people using this at the same time, it breaks.Good luck.
--
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On 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but
problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that
Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later.
So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on
them and just use a different client.
I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not
find an Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have
subsets of its functionality, but not a drop in replacement.
Jason L. Amerson
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but
problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that
Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later. So,
I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on them and
just use a different client.
Jason L. Amerson
From: Martin Gainty <mgainty@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 08:02 AM
To: Jason L. Amerson <drjason@alphagenius.org>
Subject: Re: MS Access Frontend
Hi Jason
this is how i got the majority of work in the 90s
I have Database X that wont talk to Database Y
you can write a program that
parses the query from <Postgres>
accesses the data from <Access>
inserts to <Progress>
you can save time and $ if you accomplish one of these steps and contract
for the remainder
Makes Sense?
Martin
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From: Jason L. Amerson <drjason@alphagenius.org
<mailto:drjason@alphagenius.org> >
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 12:23 PM
To: PostgreSQL <pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org
<mailto:pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org> >
Subject: MS Access Frontend
I am trying to setup MS Access as a frontend so that it would be easier on
my wife and children to interact with PostgreSQL. I looked online for some
tutorials but the ones I found are out-date or only pick up after Access is
connected to PostgreSQL. I was wondering if someone knew of some updated
material that they could point me to or maybe walk me through it. I have
used Access quite a bit years ago and things have changed since then. I know
I must install the ODBC drivers, which I have already done. I have already
setup the DSN and I clicked on test and it says everything is fine. I know
that my next step has something to do with Linked Tables in Access, but I am
not sure how to set it up. I guess that is where I start to need help. The
client computers using the frontend will be running Windows 10 and Office
365, both are updated to the latest versions.
Thank you,
Jason L. Amerson
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I am a Linux user too. I just bought my children Windows laptops so it would
be easier for them to use. I had to buy me a Windows one too so that I can
do the whole Microsoft Family thing and monitor them a little. But I think
it is time to throw them into the deep end and see if they can swim.
Jason L. Amerson
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From: Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 01:52 PM
To: Jason L. Amerson <drjason@alphagenius.org>; 'Martin Gainty'
<mgainty@hotmail.com>; PostgreSQL <pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: MS Access Frontend
On 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but
problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that
Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later.
So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on
them and just use a different client.
I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not find an
Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have subsets of its
functionality, but not a drop in replacement.
Jason L. Amerson
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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
My two cents. Access is awesome. Extremley fast prototyping environment.
Found on most pc's in businesses. Great reporting tools.
It is my go-to tool for prototyping DB structures, reports, great
import/export tools, and boatloads of people who are glad to share
vba code and solutions
My only bitch is the dumbing down of the application by Microsoft,
Adding bands, and hiding past tools...killing the performance with xml
bs..."there, I feel better now"
Libre Base does alot of the same things, just a different way.
If learning is the point of this discussion, then learn as much as
possible about each one.
I started using win32 back in odd-06 with ODBC and direct db-api calls,
but have steadily drifted towards RAD environments...although there's
great satisfaction and control the lower you go.
When the prototyping is over , I've been pushing Lazarus as my
multi-plateform development environment.
It still pisses me off how abused Excel is, but people don't know the
difference.
Keep on rockin
Show quoted text
On 11/30/2019 2:34 PM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
I am a Linux user too. I just bought my children Windows laptops so it would
be easier for them to use. I had to buy me a Windows one too so that I can
do the whole Microsoft Family thing and monitor them a little. But I think
it is time to throw them into the deep end and see if they can swim.Jason L. Amerson
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 01:52 PM
To: Jason L. Amerson <drjason@alphagenius.org>; 'Martin Gainty'
<mgainty@hotmail.com>; PostgreSQL <pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: MS Access FrontendOn 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but
problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that
Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later.
So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on
them and just use a different client.I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not find an
Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have subsets of its
functionality, but not a drop in replacement.Jason L. Amerson
--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
Il 30.11.2019 19:52, Adrian Klaver ha scritto:
On 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but
problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that
Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years
later. So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put
Linux on them and just use a different client.I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not
find an Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have
subsets of its functionality, but not a drop in replacement.
What about Lazarus IDE?
Free, cross platform, relatively complete and easy to use, based on
FreePascal, with reporting tools included...
commenting to Jason that majority of my work in the 90s was read from one DB write to another DB
via ODBC2JDBC driver
https://medium.com/openlink-odbc-jdbc-ado-net-data-access-drivers/using-openlinks-odbc-jdbc-bridge-to-access-jdbc-data-sources-via-tableau-windows-edition-89094aa33b7b
that said I think MS missed the boat on 2-phase-commits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-phase_commit_protocol
Two-phase commit protocol - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-phase_commit_protocol>
In transaction processing, databases, and computer networking, the two-phase commit protocol (2PC) is a type of atomic commitment protocol (ACP). It is a distributed algorithm that coordinates all the processes that participate in a distributed atomic transaction on whether to commit or abort (roll back) the transaction (it is a specialized type of consensus protocol).
en.wikipedia.org
Also 2 factor DB authentication was not implemented by Access
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_security
Database security - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_security>
Database security concerns the use of a broad range of information security controls to protect databases (potentially including the data, the database applications or stored functions, the database systems, the database servers and the associated network links) against compromises of their confidentiality, integrity and availability. It involves various types or categories of controls, such ...
en.wikipedia.org
Feel free to ping me offline if you're interested in implementing ODBC2JDBC driver as an option
Good Luck!
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From: bret_stern <bret_stern@machinemanagement.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 7:14 PM
To: pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org <pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: MS Access Frontend
My two cents. Access is awesome. Extremley fast prototyping environment.
Found on most pc's in businesses. Great reporting tools.
It is my go-to tool for prototyping DB structures, reports, great
import/export tools, and boatloads of people who are glad to share
vba code and solutions
My only bitch is the dumbing down of the application by Microsoft,
Adding bands, and hiding past tools...killing the performance with xml
bs..."there, I feel better now"
Libre Base does alot of the same things, just a different way.
If learning is the point of this discussion, then learn as much as
possible about each one.
I started using win32 back in odd-06 with ODBC and direct db-api calls,
but have steadily drifted towards RAD environments...although there's
great satisfaction and control the lower you go.
When the prototyping is over , I've been pushing Lazarus as my
multi-plateform development environment.
It still pisses me off how abused Excel is, but people don't know the
difference.
Keep on rockin
Show quoted text
On 11/30/2019 2:34 PM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
I am a Linux user too. I just bought my children Windows laptops so it would
be easier for them to use. I had to buy me a Windows one too so that I can
do the whole Microsoft Family thing and monitor them a little. But I think
it is time to throw them into the deep end and see if they can swim.Jason L. Amerson
-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 01:52 PM
To: Jason L. Amerson <drjason@alphagenius.org>; 'Martin Gainty'
<mgainty@hotmail.com>; PostgreSQL <pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: MS Access FrontendOn 11/30/19 11:04 AM, Jason L. Amerson wrote:
Thanks Martin. I have decided to go another route. I have nothing but
problems whenever I use Microsoft products. I personally think that
Microsoft was shit when it started, and it is still shit 35 years later.
So, I am just going to take Windows off my computers and put Linux on
them and just use a different client.I'm a Linux user and I applaud your move. Just be aware you will not find an
Access replacement on Linux. You will find things that have subsets of its
functionality, but not a drop in replacement.Jason L. Amerson
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On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:09 AM Martin Gainty <mgainty@hotmail.com> wrote:
that said I think MS missed the boat on 2-phase-commits
Microsoft has never really embraced the concept of a multi-user database
environment. (It doesn't really understand the concept of a multi-user
operating system, either.)
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On 12/1/19 10:46 AM, Michael Nolan wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:09 AM Martin Gainty <mgainty@hotmail.com
<mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com>> wrote:that said I think MS missed the boat on 2-phase-commits
Microsoft has never really embraced the concept of a multi-user database
environment.
You haven't used SQL Server in quite a while (almost 20 years).
(It doesn't really understand the concept of a multi-user operating
system, either.)
Neither have you used Windows Server in quite a while (by my experience, 16
years).
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