Best Open Source OS for Postgresql

Hi,

From 2019, I've been using AlmaLinux from version 8.4 up to now version
8.7. This January, I've been trying to upgrade PostgreSQL from v14.6 to
v15.1.
When I install PostgreSQL v14.6 along side with v15.1 in the same
server, it run without trouble at all, but because I'm using the PostGIS
extension, there is one package *ogr_fdw_14 *than cannot be along side
with the *ogr_fdw_15 *version, specifically on this file:

Error: Transaction test error:

file /usr/lib/.build-id/a0/a43182caa55ed9d3562e2d9b74a1dda150e2c4 from
install of ogr_fdw_15-1.1.3-1.rhel8.x86_64 conflicts with file from
package ogr_fdw_14-1.1.3-1.rhel8.x86_64

because of this problem, I'm currently stuck on upgrading the PostgreSQL
to v15.1. Last week, on my development server I can install the
*ogr_fdw_15 *on by using manual extraction of the RPM package to each
individual directory with exception the conflicted file, and the
extension is successfully installed and detected on the PostgreSQL
v15.1.  Next weekend, I planned on upgrading the production server to
v15.1 using the same method, unless anyone here can show me other method
than manually extracting the RPM package.

May be someone here on this mailing-list have access to the package
manager that build the *ogr_fdw_14 *and *ogr_fdw_15* package, and
release the package update to resolve the conflicted file, I'll be
waiting for the package release update before I rollout the update to my
production server.

Best Regards,
Surya Widyanto

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 09:02:53AM +0100, Giovanni Biscontini wrote:

Hello everyone,
we're looking for a Open Source alternative to Rhel for our VM server
dedicated to Postgresql (14->15) installations. We're testing Alma, Rocky,
and Oracle distributions as they're compatible with Rhel package systems.
Can you share your experience on a similar choice?
Thanks in advance and best regards, Giovanni

It will be os that you know.

I, for one, love all things debian based, so I tend to use debian or
ubuntu. It helps that the Pg apt repo is absolutely AMAZING.

depesz

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 01:18:08PM +0100, Marc Millas wrote:

Did you check postgis debian repo? ??

Not sure why:
1. you ask me that
2. you ask me that off list

but no, i haven't.

depesz

Sorry for inappropriate "reply".

if you do check the debian postgis repo, you ll find that its NOT possible
to choose a postgis version.
its possible for postgis 2.4 and 2.5, then ALL 3.x versions are
inaccessible but one, that did change from time to time.
(you MUST ask for postgis 3 without being able to ask for 3.0 or 3.1 or...
its like asking for postgres 9 without .5 or .6)
2 of my customers reverse to a RH family linux because they have been
unable to install the requested postgres/postgis version on debian.
when I did ask the team, the reply was: we cannot package for all cross
possibilities (ie. 5 postgres x 6 postgis, less some impossibilities
according to postgis matrix)

so...

Marc MILLAS
Senior Architect
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www.mokadb.com

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 1:23 PM hubert depesz lubaczewski <depesz@depesz.com>
wrote:

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 02:09:40PM +0100, Marc Millas wrote:

if you do check the debian postgis repo, you ll find that its NOT possible
to choose a postgis version.
its possible for postgis 2.4 and 2.5, then ALL 3.x versions are
inaccessible but one, that did change from time to time.
(you MUST ask for postgis 3 without being able to ask for 3.0 or 3.1 or...
its like asking for postgres 9 without .5 or .6)
2 of my customers reverse to a RH family linux because they have been
unable to install the requested postgres/postgis version on debian.
when I did ask the team, the reply was: we cannot package for all cross
possibilities (ie. 5 postgres x 6 postgis, less some impossibilities
according to postgis matrix)

While this is definitely a factor that has to be considered, OP never
said anything about postgis. So, while it is perfectly possible that
they do, and they have to stick to some version that is not available in
debian/ubuntu, it kinda seems like a jump to assume that.

Best regards,

depesz

On 1/31/23 05:09, Marc Millas wrote:

Sorry for inappropriate "reply".

if you do check the debian postgis repo, you ll find that its NOT
possible to choose a postgis version.

Are you talking about the repo hosted by Debian or the Postgres
community repo's here:

https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/

its possible for postgis 2.4 and 2.5, then ALL 3.x versions are
inaccessible but one, that did change from time to time.
(you MUST ask for postgis 3 without being able to ask for 3.0 or 3.1
or...  its like asking for postgres 9 without .5 or .6)
2 of my customers reverse to a RH family linux because they have been
unable to install the requested postgres/postgis version on debian.
when I did ask the team, the reply was: we cannot package for all cross
possibilities (ie. 5 postgres x 6 postgis, less some impossibilities
according to postgis matrix)

so...

Marc MILLAS
Senior Architect
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www.mokadb.com <http://www.mokadb.com&gt;

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On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 at 08:18, Tony Shelver <tshelver@gmail.com> wrote:

On 1/31/2023 6:23 AM, hubert depesz lubaczewski wrote:

Not sure why:

2. you ask me that off list

In a lot of email clients, it is very easy to accidentally reply to the
author instead of the list without realizing it.

Hope that helps,
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I would suggest any major Ubuntu based distro, I have a personal preference for Mint.

I'd also suggest you set up the official Postgres repo, rather than using a distro repo, so your installs come directly from there.

https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt

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On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 at 08:18, Tony Shelver <tshelver@gmail.com<mailto:tshelver@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 at 08:04, Tony Shelver <tshelver@gmail.com<mailto:tshelver@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 at 15:10, Marc Millas <marc.millas@mokadb.com<mailto:marc.millas@mokadb.com>> wrote:
Sorry for inappropriate "reply".

if you do check the debian postgis repo, you ll find that its NOT possible to choose a postgis version.
its possible for postgis 2.4 and 2.5, then ALL 3.x versions are inaccessible but one, that did change from time to time.
(you MUST ask for postgis 3 without being able to ask for 3.0 or 3.1 or... its like asking for postgres 9 without .5 or .6)
2 of my customers reverse to a RH family linux because they have been unable to install the requested postgres/postgis version on debian.
when I did ask the team, the reply was: we cannot package for all cross possibilities (ie. 5 postgres x 6 postgis, less some impossibilities according to postgis matrix)

Maybe I am not understanding this, but have you checked the UbuntuGIS source? I know not pure Debian, but...

Sent before complete:

UbuntuGIS stable shows PostGIS 2.4 and 2.5 available, as well as 3.1 and 3.2 : https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntugis/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+index?batch=75&amp;memo=75&amp;start=75&lt;https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net%2F~ubuntugis%2F%2Barchive%2Fubuntu%2Fppa%2F%2Bindex%3Fbatch%3D75%26memo%3D75%26start%3D75&amp;data=05%7C01%7CBrent.Wood%40niwa.co.nz%7C27575ec68b7b481e029508db041c64f3%7C41caed736a0c468aba499ff6aafd1c77%7C0%7C0%7C638108292256807488%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Chlgpp%2F1nYCuOzzQ0eDEqVzAbQGUjLSntqC51mwHaYM%3D&amp;reserved=0&gt;
Got this link from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS&lt;https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu.com%2FUbuntuGIS&amp;data=05%7C01%7CBrent.Wood%40niwa.co.nz%7C27575ec68b7b481e029508db041c64f3%7C41caed736a0c468aba499ff6aafd1c77%7C0%7C0%7C638108292256807488%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=zb8zbuQnogekZSDCRnWyGiyo6Yxbznqv6CbDSTp214g%3D&amp;reserved=0&gt; via https://postgis.net/install/&lt;https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpostgis.net%2Finstall%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7CBrent.Wood%40niwa.co.nz%7C27575ec68b7b481e029508db041c64f3%7C41caed736a0c468aba499ff6aafd1c77%7C0%7C0%7C638108292256807488%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=YBbshMrRUhA7EVaW28g4E%2BvZ0PNGafVVivvUC7FzKyM%3D&amp;reserved=0&gt;
Also note that UbuntuGIS is based off the DebianGIS project: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGis&lt;https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FDebianGis&amp;data=05%7C01%7CBrent.Wood%40niwa.co.nz%7C27575ec68b7b481e029508db041c64f3%7C41caed736a0c468aba499ff6aafd1c77%7C0%7C0%7C638108292256807488%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Ufd57MDATI%2F0fqTiJDGNigV%2BKbHeKm3vrRxnnkTC20Y%3D&amp;reserved=0&gt;

We run both Ubuntu and Centos servers. The change to Centos licensing has led us to support it only for one specific application that is embedded in Centos that we are trying to end-of-life ASAP. At least Ubuntu server has a 5 year support window, and Ubuntu has now announced a limited 'free' Pro option for smaller businesses that provides a 10 year window.

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Hello Giovanni,

it depends,
do you know a truly open source os without proprietary blobs for firmware or device drivers?

Debian used to try to make a clear separation in this with 'main' being the default section when installing,
unfortunately this practically no longer applies to proprietary firmware if i understand it correctly, unless you check yourself:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
vs before:
https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#nonfree-firmware
which i guess is still the case?, but now it gets loaded/installed by default
(easy functionality over open source)

I would choose a distro with LTS (long term support),
as the last post mentions Ubuntu and Mint,
this would only apply to Ubuntu LTS (or up in the family tree Debian LTS)

i have had good experiences with the link from Brent,
but i imagine other serious LTS distros should work well as well

hth,
Wim

Brent Wood schreef op wo 01-02-2023 om 06:45 [+0000]:
I would suggest any major Ubuntu based distro, I have a personal preference for Mint.

I'd also suggest you set up the official Postgres repo, rather than using a distro repo, so your installs come directly from there.

https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt

Hello,
What about postgis :
3.0,
3.3,
3.4
??

Le mer. 1 févr. 2023 à 07:20, Tony Shelver <tshelver@gmail.com> a écrit :

If I remember well, I did try all repo I ever heard off, and basic Google
search
Till I ask someone thru a postgis mailing list.
If you find something, like how to install a postgres 12 with a postgis 3.0
on any debian based distro.. Pls tell, I will read with interest. Also,
pls, not recompiling the whole thing with all associated libs ...
Thanks
Which was my customer requirelent

Le mar. 31 janv. 2023 à 17:38, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> a
écrit :

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 3:03 AM Giovanni Biscontini <biscontini.g@es2000.it>
wrote:

We're looking for a Open Source alternative to Rhel for our VM server
dedicated to Postgresql (14->15) installations. We're testing Alma, Rocky,
and Oracle distributions as they're compatible with Rhel package systems.
Can you share your experience on a similar choice?

Let me throw my choice into the mix... Fedora Server.

The benefits of Fedora Server is modern software. Every six months, you get
the latest release of nearly all packages.

The downside is, you lose API/ABI compatibility. Fedora Server is always
moving forward with the latest packages, including past ABI/API breaks.
Another downside is, you run dnf-system-upgrade (
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/) every
six months. It is like Ubuntu's do-release-upgrade.

The real upside to modern software is, you get all the bug fixes, including
latent bugs that should have CVE's associated with them but were
misclassified. For a discussion, see Greg KH's talk at
https://thenewstack.io/design-system-can-update-greg-kroah-hartman-linux-security/
.

Jeff

On 2/1/23 07:54, Marc Millas wrote:

If I remember  well, I did try all repo I ever heard off, and basic
Google search
Till I ask someone thru a postgis mailing list.
If you find something, like how to install a postgres 12 with a postgis
3.0 on any debian based distro.. Pls tell, I will read with interest.
Also, pls, not recompiling the whole thing with all associated libs ...
Thanks
Which was my customer requirelent

Using:

lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS
Release: 20.04
Codename: focal

and community repos:

deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt focal-pgdg main
deb https://apt-archive.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt focal-pgdg-archive main

sudo apt install postgresql-12

Success. You can now start the database server using:

pg_ctlcluster 12 main start

Then:

sudo apt list postgis -a
Listing... Done
postgis/focal-pgdg,focal-pgdg-archive 3.3.2+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.3.1+dfsg-2.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.3.1+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.3.0+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.2.3+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.2.2+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.2.1+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.2.0+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.1.4+dfsg-3.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.1.4+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.1.3+dfsg-1~exp1.pgdg20.04+1+b1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.1.2+dfsg-1~exp2.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.1.1+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.1.0+dfsg-1.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive
3.1.0~alpha1+dfsg-1~exp2~232.gitc62f703.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.0.3+dfsg-2.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.0.2+dfsg-4.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.0.2+dfsg-2.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.0.1+dfsg-4.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal-pgdg-archive 3.0.1+dfsg-2.pgdg20.04+1 amd64
postgis/focal 3.0.0+dfsg-6ubuntu4 amd64

Followed by:

sudo apt install postgis=3.0.3+dfsg-2.pgdg20.04+1

...

After this operation, 234 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n

I did not actually install as I don't use PostGIS, so I would not know
how to verify a clean install.

This:

deb https://apt-archive.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt focal-pgdg-archive main

comes from here:

https://www.df7cb.de/blog/2020/apt-archive.postgresql.org.html

The community packagers for deb packages have set up an archive repo for
older versions.

Le mar. 31 janv. 2023 à 17:38, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
<mailto:adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>> a écrit :

On 1/31/23 05:09, Marc Millas wrote:

Sorry for inappropriate "reply".

if you do check the debian postgis repo, you ll find that its NOT
possible to choose a postgis version.

Are you talking about the repo hosted by Debian or the Postgres
community repo's here:

https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/
<https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/&gt;

its possible for postgis 2.4 and 2.5, then ALL 3.x versions are
inaccessible but one, that did change from time to time.
(you MUST ask for postgis 3 without being able to ask for 3.0 or 3.1
or...  its like asking for postgres 9 without .5 or .6)
2 of my customers reverse to a RH family linux because they have

been

unable to install the requested postgres/postgis version on debian.
when I did ask the team, the reply was: we cannot package for all

cross

possibilities (ie. 5 postgres x 6 postgis, less some impossibilities
according to postgis matrix)

so...

Marc MILLAS
Senior Architect
+33607850334
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I have generally favoured ubuntu LTS editions over the years, more out of
familiarity than any particular good technical reason. In the past,
postgresql on FreeBSD would have been my first goto, but it's harder to get
freebsd skills out on the market than ubuntu/debian linux.

I do have one gripe about the packaged postgis packages : the list of
dependencies seem quite enormous. For example, the previous poster
mentions 234MB. I find the list of dependencies a little baffling and
disconcerting.

Regards
Bob

On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 at 16:25, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
wrote:

On 2/1/23 9:22 AM, Bob Jolliffe wrote:

I have generally favoured ubuntu LTS editions over the years, more out
of familiarity than any particular good technical reason.  In the past,
postgresql on FreeBSD would have been my first goto, but it's harder to
get freebsd skills out on the market than ubuntu/debian linux.

I do have one gripe about the packaged postgis packages : the list of
dependencies seem quite enormous.  For example, the previous poster
mentions 234MB.  I find the list of dependencies a little baffling and
disconcerting.

It is a big program that covers a lot of ground. What is disconcerting
is that you see the dependencies called out instead of being wrapped
into a blob.

Not going to make much difference to the dependencies but this:

sudo apt install postgis=3.0.3+dfsg-2.pgdg20.04+1

should actually be:

sudo apt install postgresql-12-postgis-3=3.0.3+dfsg-2.pgdg20.04+1

The first form has a dependency on the latest Postgres, so will want to
install Postgres 15.

Regards
Bob

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