pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs: "<link>, which see for

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#2Tom Lane
tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us
In reply to: Neil Conway (#1)
Re: pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs: "<link>, which see for

neilc@postgresql.org (Neil Conway) writes:

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Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs: "<link>, which see for more
information" is un-good English.

I beg to differ.

regards, tom lane

#3Neil Conway
neilc@samurai.com
In reply to: Tom Lane (#2)
Re: pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs: "<link>, which see for

On Wed, 2007-16-05 at 15:10 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:

I beg to differ.

On what grounds?

-Neil

#4Bruce Momjian
bruce@momjian.us
In reply to: Neil Conway (#3)
Re: pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs:"<link>, which see for

"Neil Conway" <neilc@samurai.com> writes:

On Wed, 2007-16-05 at 15:10 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:

I beg to differ.

On what grounds?

"which see" is an unusual formulation but it's actually pretty standard. You
see it a lot in older texts. IIRC it's used heavily in the TeX book.

It's probably not a bad idea to avoid it though given that many readers will
indeed be surprised by it.

--
Gregory Stark
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#5Stefan Kaltenbrunner
stefan@kaltenbrunner.cc
In reply to: Bruce Momjian (#4)
Re: pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs:"<link>, which see for

Gregory Stark wrote:

"Neil Conway" <neilc@samurai.com> writes:

On Wed, 2007-16-05 at 15:10 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:

I beg to differ.

On what grounds?

"which see" is an unusual formulation but it's actually pretty standard. You
see it a lot in older texts. IIRC it's used heavily in the TeX book.

It's probably not a bad idea to avoid it though given that many readers will
indeed be surprised by it.

yes indeed - looks pretty weird to me at least (as a non native speaker)

Stefan

#6Neil Conway
neilc@samurai.com
In reply to: Bruce Momjian (#4)
Re: pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs:"<link>, which see for

On Wed, 2007-16-05 at 20:49 +0100, Gregory Stark wrote:

"which see" is an unusual formulation but it's actually pretty standard. You
see it a lot in older texts.

Interesting, I've never run across it before. It certainly sounds
awkward to me, but I can revert the change if people would like.

-Neil

#7Alvaro Herrera
alvherre@2ndquadrant.com
In reply to: Neil Conway (#6)
Re: pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs:"<link>, which see for

Neil Conway wrote:

On Wed, 2007-16-05 at 20:49 +0100, Gregory Stark wrote:

"which see" is an unusual formulation but it's actually pretty standard. You
see it a lot in older texts.

Interesting, I've never run across it before. It certainly sounds
awkward to me, but I can revert the change if people would like.

I don't care either way because the new wording seems OK too, but I as a
non-native speaker found the construct very natural and easy to
understand. It also maps into the latin q.v. verbatim.

--
Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/
PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support

#8Dave Page
dpage@pgadmin.org
In reply to: Neil Conway (#6)
Re: pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs:"<link>, which see for

Neil Conway wrote:

On Wed, 2007-16-05 at 20:49 +0100, Gregory Stark wrote:

"which see" is an unusual formulation but it's actually pretty standard. You
see it a lot in older texts.

Interesting, I've never run across it before. It certainly sounds
awkward to me, but I can revert the change if people would like.

I've never seen it before, and it certainly sounds wrong to my ears.
Greg would probably argue that I can't string two sentences together
myself though, so who am I to comment? :-)

Regards, Dave

#9Jim Nasby
Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com
In reply to: Alvaro Herrera (#7)
Re: pgsql: Fix a bunch of bad grammar in the docs:"<link>, which see for

On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 04:11:11PM -0400, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

Neil Conway wrote:

On Wed, 2007-16-05 at 20:49 +0100, Gregory Stark wrote:

"which see" is an unusual formulation but it's actually pretty standard. You
see it a lot in older texts.

Interesting, I've never run across it before. It certainly sounds
awkward to me, but I can revert the change if people would like.

I don't care either way because the new wording seems OK too, but I as a
non-native speaker found the construct very natural and easy to
understand. It also maps into the latin q.v. verbatim.

Perhaps this is something that sounds better to non-native english
speakers than it does to native. I hadn't run across the original, but
it certainly grates on my ears. I vote keep the new version.
--
Jim Nasby decibel@decibel.org
EnterpriseDB http://enterprisedb.com 512.569.9461 (cell)