Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?

Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from
contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not
exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to
lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it.

I vote for the nuclear option. ;-)

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from
contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not
exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to
lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it.

I vote for the nuclear option. ;-)

There are still 7.2 systems out there which need it. The problem is,
adddepend is broken when run against 8.1. It breaks on serial, I think.

Gavin

Bruce Momjian wrote:

Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from
contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not
exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to
lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it.

I vote for the nuclear option. ;-)

as I said when this first came up - we still get a sizable number of
support requests from people trying to import dumps(!) of very old
postgresql versions on IRC.
adddepends is often of some value for those people and I would rather
like to see it fixed for 8.1 and maybe even 8.2 ...

Stefan

On Monday 10 July 2006 11:43, Gavin Sherry wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from
contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm
not exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike
to lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just
nuke it.

I vote for the nuclear option. ;-)

There are still 7.2 systems out there which need it.

My understanding is that 7.2 is EOL... if people have 7.2 and need it they can
pull the sources from anythin <= 8.2 yes?

So I vote nuke!

Joshua D. Drake

The problem is,
adddepend is broken when run against 8.1. It breaks on serial, I think.

Gavin

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Gavin Sherry wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from
contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not
exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to
lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it.

I vote for the nuclear option. ;-)

There are still 7.2 systems out there which need it. The problem is,
adddepend is broken when run against 8.1. It breaks on serial, I think.

Which is not really a problem, because it seems actually kinda absurd to
be running adddepend against an 8.1 server. I mean, if you spent all
that time running with broken FKs and stuff from 7.2 to 8.1, why are you
going to care now?

I don't think it would be very difficult to solve the problem with
serial anyway.

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Gavin,

There are still 7.2 systems out there which need it. The problem is,
adddepend is broken when run against 8.1. It breaks on serial, I think.

And on some other stuff, too. I didn't document all the failures, I
just tested and killed it.

Think is, 8.1 does a much better job of upgrading 7.2 datatabases than
7.3 or 7.4 did anyway. I just tested using a database created in 7.1
and upgraded to 7.2 which has a baroque and unnecessarily complex schema
(legacy production applicaiton) which breaks on 7.4 without adddepends.
I was able to upgrade it to 8.2(today) and it worked without adddepends.

I'm testing dump, load, dump, load now to see if it still works OK.

--Josh

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 11:22:49AM -0400, Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from
contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm
not exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems
unlike to lead an independant existance on pgFoundry; I'm inclined
to just nuke it.

For those of you who don't want to hunt through the archives, the
reasons we're removing adddepends are:

1) Rod Taylor is not interested in maintaining it anymore;
2) It currently throws errors on 8.2 (and probably earlier);
3) With KL's improvements to pg_dump for 8.0, about half of its
functionality is no longer necessary.

So, speak up if someone thinks there's some reason to save
adddepends anywhere other than the CVS and FTP archives.

As Ripley famously said:

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the
only way to be sure.

Cheers,
D
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1) Rod Taylor is not interested in maintaining it anymore;
2) It currently throws errors on 8.2 (and probably earlier);
3) With KL's improvements to pg_dump for 8.0, about half of its
functionality is no longer necessary.

So, speak up if someone thinks there's some reason to save adddepends
anywhere other than the CVS and FTP archives.

I think it absolutely should be kept on pgFoundry no? I don't see how
my improvements to pg_dump help anyone upgrading from 7.2 to later versions?

Think is, 8.1 does a much better job of upgrading 7.2 datatabases than
7.3 or 7.4 did anyway. I just tested using a database created in 7.1
and upgraded to 7.2 which has a baroque and unnecessarily complex schema
(legacy production applicaiton) which breaks on 7.4 without adddepends.
I was able to upgrade it to 8.2(today) and it worked without adddepends.

I'm testing dump, load, dump, load now to see if it still works OK.

That's irrelevant - does it actually have FK's is the question. I bet
you'll instead have a bunch of CREATE CONSTRAINT TRIGGER statements...