8.2 feature set

Bruce,

I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability
improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped
indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make
things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance.

This is a discussion for -Advocacy, so I'm crossing it over. If you reply
to this, please do NOT cc -hackers. Thanks.

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San Francisco

Bruce Momjian wrote:

I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability
improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped
indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make
things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance.

Hum, haven't we seen a lot of performance improvements committed? I'd
say 8.2 is performance + usability :-) It's true that we don't have as
many "major features" in 8.2 as compared to 8.1 or 8.0.

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Sorry if this is the wrong place for this but as far as I can tell
there are only 2 features so far that I've seen discussed on hackers
that are looking really good to me. I'm sure all the little changes
will add up to a big win but these are the only two that would make
me feel an urgent need to go through the hassle of upgrading.

1) Standby mode
2) Improvements to PITR making it easier to set up.

If I could have asked for any two features to be implemented in
postgres it would probably have been these two, so I am very
curious. Are these two features definitely in, definitely out or
still up in the air as far as 8.2 in concerned?

On Aug 2, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 18:04, Bruce Momjian wrote:

I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability
improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped
indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make
things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance.

In theory I agree with you, though it would be nice to get an updated copy of
the release notes before we solidify that judgement. Any eta on when you plan
to do them up? (Yeah, I realize we haven't applied all patches yet)

On a side note... has the on-disk format changed for this release? I don't
recall seeing anything that changed it, but could have easily missed
something.

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Robert Treat wrote:

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 18:04, Bruce Momjian wrote:

I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability
improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped
indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make
things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance.

In theory I agree with you, though it would be nice to get an updated copy of
the release notes before we solidify that judgement. Any eta on when you plan
to do them up? (Yeah, I realize we haven't applied all patches yet)

On a side note... has the on-disk format changed for this release? I don't
recall seeing anything that changed it, but could have easily missed
something.

Well if an initdb was not required, I think that would be a huge feature
;) (I know it may not work release over release)

Joshua D. Drake

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Robert Treat wrote:

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 18:04, Bruce Momjian wrote:

I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability
improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped
indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make
things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance.

In theory I agree with you, though it would be nice to get an updated copy of
the release notes before we solidify that judgement. Any eta on when you plan
to do them up? (Yeah, I realize we haven't applied all patches yet)

Usually 1-2 weeks before beta starts.

On a side note... has the on-disk format changed for this release? I don't
recall seeing anything that changed it, but could have easily missed
something.

I think only the inet data types changed on-disk.

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Ühel kenal päeval, K, 2006-08-02 kell 15:08, kirjutas Josh Berkus:

Bruce,

I am thinking we will portray 8.2 as a release focused on usability
improvements. We do have a few large features, like perhaps bit-mapped
indexes, but in general, the release has a lot of additions that make
things easier to use, rather than adding new features or performance.

This is a discussion for -Advocacy, so I'm crossing it over.

I dont think that everybody concerned is on -advocacy (for example I am
not). I think that people on -hackers may still have some insight on
what actually is significant/important.

If you reply to this, please do NOT cc -hackers. Thanks.

I suspect that there has not been too much discussion on -advocacy about
each new feature theat

Sorry for cc-ing to hackers ;)

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"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:

Well if an initdb was not required, I think that would be a huge feature
;) (I know it may not work release over release)

If someone had started working on pg_upgrade six months ago, we might
have that for 8.2 ...

regards, tom lane

tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane) writes:

"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:

Well if an initdb was not required, I think that would be a huge feature
;) (I know it may not work release over release)

If someone had started working on pg_upgrade six months ago, we might
have that for 8.2 ...

Someone brought the absence of that up in a LUG context this week, so
it's certainly the sort of feature that would be worth making
prominent...
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