BUG #9374: some timzone abbver is missing from pg_timezone_abbrevs that are in pg_timezone_names

Started by ..: Mark Sloan :..about 12 years ago3 messagesbugs
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mark.a.sloan@gmail.com

The following bug has been logged on the website:

Bug reference: 9374
Logged by: Mark Sloan
Email address: mark.a.sloan@gmail.com
PostgreSQL version: 9.3.3
Operating system: CentOS 6.5
Description:

postgres=# SELECT * FROM pg_timezone_names where abbrev = 'WIB' ;
name | abbrev | utc_offset | is_dst
----------------------+--------+------------+--------
posix/Asia/Pontianak | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
posix/Asia/Jakarta | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
Asia/Pontianak | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
Asia/Jakarta | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
(4 rows)

postgres=# SELECT * FROM pg_timezone_abbrevs where abbrev = 'WIB' ;
abbrev | utc_offset | is_dst
--------+------------+--------
(0 rows)

using PGDG rpms.

postgresql-server-9.2.7, or 9.3.3
tzdata-2013i-2

I am not sure if "ALL" of these are supposed to be in pg_timezone_abbrevs.

here is the missing ones.

abbrev
--------
AQTT
CAT
CHOT
CVT
CWST
ChST
ECT
GMT+1
GMT+10
GMT+11
GMT+12
GMT+2
GMT+3
GMT+4
GMT+5
GMT+6
GMT+7
GMT+8
GMT+9
GMT-1
GMT-10
GMT-11
GMT-12
GMT-13
GMT-14
GMT-2
GMT-3
GMT-4
GMT-5
GMT-6
GMT-7
GMT-8
GMT-9
GST
HAST
HOVT
IRST
MIST
MeST
NCT
NRT
ORAT
QYZT
ROTT
SAKT
SAMT
SBT
SRT
SST
SYOT
TLT
VOST
WIB
WIT
WITA
WSDT
WST
(57 rows)

the WIB one is giving me grief, I am going to push that we convert to always
using timezone names rather than abbreviations, but this looked odd to me.

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#2Tom Lane
tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us
In reply to: ..: Mark Sloan :.. (#1)
Re: BUG #9374: some timzone abbver is missing from pg_timezone_abbrevs that are in pg_timezone_names

mark.a.sloan@gmail.com writes:

postgres=# SELECT * FROM pg_timezone_names where abbrev = 'WIB' ;
name | abbrev | utc_offset | is_dst
----------------------+--------+------------+--------
posix/Asia/Pontianak | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
posix/Asia/Jakarta | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
Asia/Pontianak | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
Asia/Jakarta | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
(4 rows)

postgres=# SELECT * FROM pg_timezone_abbrevs where abbrev = 'WIB' ;
abbrev | utc_offset | is_dst
--------+------------+--------
(0 rows)

This is not a bug. pg_timezone_abbrevs only lists abbreviations that are
listed in the file selected by the timezone_abbreviations parameter.
The default file doesn't contain WIB. You can if you like add it,
or maybe better make up a custom abbreviations file tuned to your
particular needs.

While we haven't got a hard and fast policy about which timezone
abbreviations to list in the default set, there are good reasons not to
list uncommonly used ones: the more abbreviations are in the file, the
greater chance of accepting typos as valid input. And we're definitely
going to be cautious about including abbreviations that mean different
things in different parts of the world, which is an issue for several of
the "missing" ones you listed.

regards, tom lane

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#3..: Mark Sloan :..
mark.a.sloan@gmail.com
In reply to: Tom Lane (#2)
Re: BUG #9374: some timzone abbver is missing from pg_timezone_abbrevs that are in pg_timezone_names

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:

mark.a.sloan@gmail.com writes:

postgres=# SELECT * FROM pg_timezone_names where abbrev = 'WIB' ;
name | abbrev | utc_offset | is_dst
----------------------+--------+------------+--------
posix/Asia/Pontianak | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
posix/Asia/Jakarta | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
Asia/Pontianak | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
Asia/Jakarta | WIB | 07:00:00 | f
(4 rows)

postgres=# SELECT * FROM pg_timezone_abbrevs where abbrev = 'WIB' ;
abbrev | utc_offset | is_dst
--------+------------+--------
(0 rows)

This is not a bug. pg_timezone_abbrevs only lists abbreviations that are
listed in the file selected by the timezone_abbreviations parameter.
The default file doesn't contain WIB. You can if you like add it,
or maybe better make up a custom abbreviations file tuned to your
particular needs

While we haven't got a hard and fast policy about which timezone

abbreviations to list in the default set, there are good reasons not to
list uncommonly used ones: the more abbreviations are in the file, the
greater chance of accepting typos as valid input. And we're definitely
going to be cautious about including abbreviations that mean different
things in different parts of the world, which is an issue for several of
the "missing" ones you listed.

regards, tom lane

Thank you for the clarification. I think it's going to better for the
groups I work with to just use the long name rather than the abbreviations.

-Mark