Re: [GENERAL] Not about LOGOs this time...
Bruce - I have, being generally obnoxious and pushy, asked for a newbie
list for people like me-self: slow on the uptake but persistent.
I have heard nothing back, except from Jose who liked the idea and
apparently was willing to serve as a dispenser of info (which he does
very well.)
I would use the list if it existed. If it is not created, then we can make
a private list. I've got a majordomo running we can use, but it wouldn't
be officially part of the PostgreSQL effort, of course.
A Linux-PostgreSQL support group.
Bruce Tong
Systems Programmer
Electronic Vision / FITNE
mailto: zztong@laxmi.ev.net
http://www.ev.net/fitne
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On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Bruce Tong wrote:
Bruce - I have, being generally obnoxious and pushy, asked for a newbie
list for people like me-self: slow on the uptake but persistent.
I have heard nothing back, except from Jose who liked the idea and
apparently was willing to serve as a dispenser of info (which he does
very well.)I would use the list if it existed. If it is not created, then we can make
a private list. I've got a majordomo running we can use, but it wouldn't
be officially part of the PostgreSQL effort, of course.A Linux-PostgreSQL support group.
Bruce - check out www.panix.com/~ugd (the ugd mailing list is now almost
exclusively devoted to running postgres on linux, except for one fella
who is currently struggling with uugetty...) It is very young and early
but we are making headway!
We could sure use your help, guy. Maybe Marc would be willing to make
us the sort of unofficial-official blacksheep list? I could live with
that! ;-)
Tom
Bruce Tong
Systems Programmer
Electronic Vision / FITNEmailto: zztong@laxmi.ev.net
http://www.ev.net/fitne
Cheers,
Tom
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On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Tom Good wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Bruce Tong wrote:
Bruce - I have, being generally obnoxious and pushy, asked for a newbie
list for people like me-self: slow on the uptake but persistent.
I have heard nothing back, except from Jose who liked the idea and
apparently was willing to serve as a dispenser of info (which he does
very well.)I would use the list if it existed. If it is not created, then we can make
a private list. I've got a majordomo running we can use, but it wouldn't
be officially part of the PostgreSQL effort, of course.A Linux-PostgreSQL support group.
Bruce - check out www.panix.com/~ugd (the ugd mailing list is now almost
exclusively devoted to running postgres on linux, except for one fella
who is currently struggling with uugetty...) It is very young and early
but we are making headway!We could sure use your help, guy. Maybe Marc would be willing to make
us the sort of unofficial-official blacksheep list? I could live with
that! ;-)
Ack...spreading out the lists is only going to make this worse, not better
:(
Want to make some suggestions on list names? pgsql-newbie I know of, and
if you *really* think its required, I'll work it up tomorrow...do we want
OS specific lists though? pgsql-admin-linux? *raised eyebrow*
Maybe I should create a totally seperate list for this, but if anyone has
suggestions for improving support (improvements to the WWW site, better
descriptions of lists, etc), *please* feel free to speak up. If it is
something that you want me to split off a list (pgsql-chat?) for, I'll
create it...it doesn't take any more resources for me to run 6 lists, or
20 lists...the hard part is keeping ppl informed and organized (ie.
prevent posting the wrong thing to the wrong lists)...
Marc G. Fournier
Systems Administrator @ hub.org
primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
Maybe I should create a totally seperate list for this, but if anyone has
suggestions for improving support (improvements to the WWW site, better
descriptions of lists, etc), *please* feel free to speak up. If it is
something that you want me to split off a list (pgsql-chat?) for, I'll
create it...it doesn't take any more resources for me to run 6 lists, or
20 lists...the hard part is keeping ppl informed and organized (ie.
prevent posting the wrong thing to the wrong lists)...
irc channel?
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Ack...spreading out the lists is only going to make this worse, not better
OK...bad idea, I'll drop it.
Want to make some suggestions on list names? pgsql-newbie I know of, and
if you *really* think its required, I'll work it up tomorrow...do we want
OS specific lists though? pgsql-admin-linux? *raised eyebrow*
Well, as long as the list keeps the BSD types in their place it
works for me. (Just kidding! You guys can't help it you're so
rigid as regards change...hee hee...very tongue in cheek...not
serious...and so on...) Linux and BSD peacefully coexisting,
imagine that! As long as Debian is excluded, of course. ;-)
I don't think we need OS specific...just somewhere for the new guys to
post questions that will get answered, even if the answer is only:
`C'mon guy, you really should plug the thing in before you press the
on button...'
Marc - I know this is a hassle and I know we have a multiplicity of
lists already but I really do see a need for a user orientation list.
I would hope we could get some ringers on it (Constantin, Jose, Tom, etc.)
If there is something I could do to assist, let me know. It might
keep me out of trouble!
As regards Bruce (M's) irc idea - yeah, ok, but I wouldn't really use it.
The real issue is the creation of a forum for newbies to state without
reservation, in the most inarticulate manner, the problem at hand.
(In my case: which is the doggone `anykey'?)
PostgreSQL is a great product (I like Bruce M's description by the way)
but as it grows there will be more and more newbies...
20 lists...the hard part is keeping ppl informed and organized (ie.
prevent posting the wrong thing to the wrong lists)...
I'm willing to do whatever I can to help with the mundane administrative
piece...
Cheers,
Tom
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On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Maybe I should create a totally seperate list for this, but if anyone has
suggestions for improving support (improvements to the WWW site, better
descriptions of lists, etc), *please* feel free to speak up. If it is
something that you want me to split off a list (pgsql-chat?) for, I'll
create it...it doesn't take any more resources for me to run 6 lists, or
20 lists...the hard part is keeping ppl informed and organized (ie.
prevent posting the wrong thing to the wrong lists)...irc channel?
Its already there, has been for ages, and I'm always on it (if not
always there)...EFNet, channel #PostgreSQL
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Maybe I should create a totally seperate list for this, but if anyone has
suggestions for improving support (improvements to the WWW site, better
descriptions of lists, etc), *please* feel free to speak up. If it is
something that you want me to split off a list (pgsql-chat?) for, I'll
create it...it doesn't take any more resources for me to run 6 lists, or
20 lists...the hard part is keeping ppl informed and organized (ie.
prevent posting the wrong thing to the wrong lists)...irc channel?
Its already there, has been for ages, and I'm always on it (if not
always there)...EFNet, channel #PostgreSQL
Let me add this to the FAQ, right now.
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On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Tom Good wrote:
Marc - I know this is a hassle and I know we have a multiplicity of
lists already but I really do see a need for a user orientation list.I would hope we could get some ringers on it (Constantin, Jose, Tom, etc.)
If there is something I could do to assist, let me know. It might
keep me out of trouble!
I would like to see an obvious forum for newbies. It could be a new list
(pgsql-newbie) or even just an inclusion in the mandate of an existing
list (pgsql-general?). As a postgresql newbie, I haven't yet seen an
obvious destination that advertises itself as welcome to newbie questions.
And as an after-thought, a seperate newbie list might be a useful lump of
posts for identifying perceived areas of weakness in the documentation.
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