USA Disaster

It's pretty incredible. I've been watching it from my rooftop (just
outside Manhattan). The buildings are _gone_. Transportation has
stopped. And there are military planes circling in the air. Very frightening.

-r

At 01:15 PM 9/11/01 -0300, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote:

I wish all the american friends the best... I haves uffered terrorism in my
country, and its terrible ...

God help you all

Jorge Sarmiento
Lima - Peru

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 11:33 am, Ryan Mahoney wrote:

It's pretty incredible. I've been watching it from my rooftop (just
outside Manhattan). The buildings are _gone_. Transportation has
stopped. And there are military planes circling in the air. Very
frightening.

-r

At 01:15 PM 9/11/01 -0300, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote:

Hope none of us in this list has been affected by that terrorist act.

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On Tuesday 11 September 2001 12:15 pm, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote:

Hope none of us in this list has been affected by that terrorist act.

Unfortunately, everyone in the US will be directly affected by this. Some
are just more directly affected than others. :-(

Hopefully no one on this list will be affected by the war that is likely to
result from these cowardly acts. :-(
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11

Ryan,

Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there? How many
people have died? What is now the prevailing condition of the place? Had
there been leads as to the motive of the attacks?

Thank you very much.

manny

The short answer is that most of your questions are still unknowns.

Both of the World Trade Center towers have collapsed after being hit by
hijacked passenger aircraft. 50,000 people work in the towers but there is
no estimated casualty figures.

Another hijacked passenger plane crashed into the Pentagon in Washington,
DC. The Pentagon is the worlds largest office building and houses the
Department of Defense.

All flights in the US have been grounded by the FAA.

Borders between Mexico and Canada have been closed.

All federal buildings across the nation have been evacuated.

It's crazy.

Motive has been speculated... Mostly middle-east policy and anti American
sentiment there... Nothing confirmed. Several groups have denied involvement
and Arafat (PLO) and Taliban (Afghanistan) have denounced the attacks.

The Vice President is at the White House and the President is being moved to
an undisclosed location.

I recommend checking out cnn.com, bbc, or even slashdot. I don't know
anything more than you can read online.

Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there?

Two hi-jacked (sp?) planes were crashed into each of the two 110 story
World Trade Center buildings in downtown Manhattan. Both building have
completely collapsed into themselves. About 20,000 people where in the
buildings at the times of the two crashes.

How many people have died?

I don't think anyone knows for certain just yet. It must have been very
difficult to evacuate those buildings, and there was no warning before the
first crash happened. The number of casualties will be very high.

What is now the prevailing condition of the place?

They have been erased from the skyline. It is surreal to look towards
Manhattan and not see them.

Had there been leads as to the motive of the attacks?

I don't think there is any consensus here. There is some suspicion of
Palestinian terrorists. I believe there was supposed to be a rally in
downtown Manhattan near city hall (today? or next week?), which would have
possibly been the largest group (150,000) of North American Jews gathered
in the US.

Personally I am not knowledgeable re: issues and tension that exists
between these groups. Everything seems quiet now (there have been sirens
and airplanes through most of the day) - I think most of New York is in
complete shock.

-r

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 01:51 pm, Manuel Cabido wrote:

Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there? How many
people have died? What is now the prevailing condition of the place? Had
there been leads as to the motive of the attacks?

See www.cnn.com, www.msnbc.com, www.foxnews.com, or some other news web site
(if you can get through). While this is a horrendous thing, it isn't a
PostgreSQL thing....
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11

Most of New York is in shock and so is the rest of the world, I might add.

Information is pretty confuse at this time. I had heard before that there
were at least 40,000 people at the WTC at the moments of the crashes, not
20,000. It's been reported that there were at least 300 people on the
planes. Ant it seems that at the moment of the collapse of the first tower
there were hundres of firemen and paramedics inside the building. The losses
are almost countless.

USA will certainly fire a retaliation act somewhere in the world againt the
terrorists, once it finds out who are them. That scares me because it really
can start a war. But I don't think any country will be brave enough to claim
responsability for the act. If the one to blame is really Osama Bin Laden I
don't know what USA can do, since it has been after Osama for years now and
never got even near him.

I have also heard that maybe the army will take over the control of the
country, putting Bush aside. Just don't know if that can really happen...

Carlos Felipe Zirbes
DBServer Assessoria em Sistemas de Informa��o
E-mail: carlosz@dbserver.com.br
Fone: (51) 3342-8055
Fax: (51) 3342-4838

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mahoney [mailto:ryan@paymentalliance.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:04 PM
To: Manuel Cabido
Cc: Carlos Felipe Zirbes; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] USA Disaster

I recommend checking out cnn.com, bbc, or even slashdot. I don't know
anything more than you can read online.

Can you give us a brief of what really happened out there?

Two hi-jacked (sp?) planes were crashed into each of the two 110 story
World Trade Center buildings in downtown Manhattan. Both building have
completely collapsed into themselves. About 20,000 people where in the
buildings at the times of the two crashes.

How many people have died?

I don't think anyone knows for certain just yet. It must have been very
difficult to evacuate those buildings, and there was no warning before the
first crash happened. The number of casualties will be very high.

What is now the prevailing condition of the place?

They have been erased from the skyline. It is surreal to look towards
Manhattan and not see them.

Had there been leads as to the motive of the attacks?

I don't think there is any consensus here. There is some suspicion of
Palestinian terrorists. I believe there was supposed to be a rally in
downtown Manhattan near city hall (today? or next week?), which would have
possibly been the largest group (150,000) of North American Jews gathered
in the US.

Personally I am not knowledgeable re: issues and tension that exists
between these groups. Everything seems quiet now (there have been sirens
and airplanes through most of the day) - I think most of New York is in
complete shock.

-r

Sorry guys, but there are many of us on this list which has been dedicated
to postgres type of Q/A.
I know that this is a frontpage news at many places, but as far as this list
is concerned, it's a spam.
Could you please find another forum to discuss these issues?

Thanx

Most of New York is in shock and so is the rest of the world, I might add.

Information is pretty confuse at this time. I had heard before that there
were at least 40,000 people at the WTC at the moments of the crashes, not
20,000. It's been reported that there were at least 300 people on the
planes. Ant it seems that at the moment of the collapse of the first tower
there were hundres of firemen and paramedics inside the building. The

losses

are almost countless.

USA will certainly fire a retaliation act somewhere in the world againt

the

terrorists, once it finds out who are them. That scares me because it

really

can start a war. But I don't think any country will be brave enough to

claim

responsability for the act. If the one to blame is really Osama Bin Laden

I

don't know what USA can do, since it has been after Osama for years now

and

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 12:15 pm, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote:

Hope none of us in this list has been affected by that terrorist act.

Unfortunately, everyone in the US will be directly affected by this. Some
are just more directly affected than others. :-(

Hopefully no one on this list will be affected by the war that is likely to
result from these cowardly acts. :-(

Tom Lane is somewhere away from home in the US so he is already affected
because he can't return home. He was supposed to return tomorrow, but
that is now uncertain. I call his home and left a message.

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On Tuesday 11 September 2001 02:47 pm, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Tom Lane is somewhere away from home in the US so he is already affected
because he can't return home. He was supposed to return tomorrow, but
that is now uncertain. I call his home and left a message.

Well, the PostgreSQL project is then directly affected...
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Carlos Felipe Zirbes wrote:

I have also heard that maybe the army will take over the control of the
country, putting Bush aside. Just don't know if that can really happen...

Putting Bush aside? How can that be, he's the Commander in Chief of
the US Military.

Vince.
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Well, this time it will be very difficult for the president to consult the
congress, since Capitol Hill apears to have also been destroyed.

But I agree with you. I don't think there's any reason to declare martial
law or anything like that since the terrorists are probably dead now. That
kind of thing is more likely to happen when the enemy is still active. Have
you seen the movie "New York Under Siege"?

As I said in my previous mail, I heard, better saying, read, that
information on an Internet site (www.terra.com.br) and was not sure if such
a thing could really happen.

Carlos Felipe Zirbes
DBServer Assessoria em Sistemas de Informa��o
E-mail: carlosz@dbserver.com.br
Fone: (51) 3342-8055
Fax: (51) 3342-4838

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Lockhart [mailto:lockhart@fourpalms.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:07 PM
To: Carlos Felipe Zirbes
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] USA Disaster

(taking things farther OT, but it is a interesting subject)

I have also heard that maybe the army will take over the control of the
country, putting Bush aside. Just don't know if that can really happen...

Absolutely not. The military here has an incredibly strong tradition of
"no politics", and that would extend to disasters and wars (which we are
nowhere near). In the USA the President *is* the Commander of the
military.

What *has* happened in the past on very divisive issues is that the
Congress sometimes feels that they should be consulted or should
authorize actions or plans. The President has authority to take some
kinds of military action in emergencies, but is expected to come back to
Congress for authorization for longer periods of time. I'm not sure of
the details in effect today, since Congress does occasionally try to
change the rules.

In the last couple of decades, Congress has typically supported the
President in any response to an emergency. And it may not matter if they
don't ;)

As in most countries, there is the concept of "martial law", and that
affects the legal process and citizen rights (not "Bush", who heads the
administration, but rather the judicial branch and law enforcement).
That is more within the realm of possibility, but imho is not at all
likely as of now.

- Thomas

To all PostgreSQL People who are affected by the recent attacks:

Please accept our condolence to those who have perished in the attack.

To those who suffered injuries, we wish your early recovery.

To the Postgres People: Let us continue the work in spite of the
terror.

manny

Hallo!

Let us spend some thoughts on all the people who died in this tragical and
cruel events. And let us feel happy for all the people who could escape in
time.

I am in Germany, and my father called me on my mobile. I first thought it
was a joke! Nobody could have ever thought about SUCH a scenario! Not even
the most fantastic writers in hollywood had!

How is the internet and telecommunication affected? The first time we did
not have real internet-connections, and a few hours ago the satellites
began to get free ... Did the priority change, for the first moment, from
"normal, public use" to "military and government use only"?

(Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but faced with such events, I would say it
is not that bad, is it?)

Saluti!

Ludwig

Hallo!

How many people have died?

I don't think anyone knows for certain just yet. It must have been very
difficult to evacuate those buildings, and there was no warning before the
first crash happened. The number of casualties will be very high.

Well, CNN told something about 150.000 daily visitors of that
buildings. To me this is a very high number. Too high. This would mean
that in every second 1.5 people came into each of the towers, if they were
accessable 24h/d ... Could this high number be? Could there really have
been 150.000 people visiting the building each day?

Saluti!

Ludwig

To all PostgreSQL People who are affected by the recent attacks:

Please accept our condolence to those who have perished in the attack.

To those who suffered injuries, we wish your early recovery.

To the Postgres People: Let us continue the work in spite of the
terror.

I want to thank the many PostgreSQL users around the globe who have sent
condolences to the United States during this tragedy. It is very
touching to see the outpouring of support during this difficult time for
the United States.

Some have questioned whether this topic is appropriate for our mailing
lists. Let me just mention that for many people, their only personal
contact with US citizens is through these lists. I believe that is why
the topic is of such interest.

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Bruce,

This is quite a tragic and cruel event which we in the postgres
mailing list can not just ignore. We symphatize to those who perished in
this event and we loook forward for justice to be served to those who
perpetuated this heinous crime. I would like to request that this mailing
list will be used as a vehicle for world understanding in the mean time
that we are still recovering from the shock of this incident.

We in the Philippines believes that this should not remain unsettled.
Justice has to be served no matter what it takes.

manny

To all PostgreSQL People affected by the attacks...

Please accept condolence from all italian people...

Denis Gasparin

At 12/09/01 03.32, Bruce Momjian wrote: