website design

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#1Vince Vielhaber
vev@michvhf.com

I'm looking for a new design for the main website. The basic requirements
are:

1) No Frames
2) Elephant stays
3) Must be easy to maintain, add to, remove from, move things around ...
4) Easy to navigate

You don't have to integrate it. The winning entry will have either
a text link at the bottom of each page or just credit - whichever
you prefer.

If you want to participate, set up a demo page(s) and email me a link
to the page(s) at webmaster@postgresql.org. Try to get your submissions
in before July 15th.

Vince.
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#2Jeff MacDonald
jeff@tsunamicreek.com
In reply to: Vince Vielhaber (#1)
Re: website design

Just a suggestion, but is the page allowed to be database driven,
ie: something like a blog [us pre existing code like slashcode or
postnuke or something]

or does it have to be static to support the mirroring that is currently
in place.

just curious.

thakns.

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-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org
[mailto:pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of Vince Vielhaber
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:26 PM
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: [GENERAL] website design

I'm looking for a new design for the main website. The basic requirements
are:

1) No Frames
2) Elephant stays
3) Must be easy to maintain, add to, remove from, move things around ...
4) Easy to navigate

You don't have to integrate it. The winning entry will have either
a text link at the bottom of each page or just credit - whichever
you prefer.

If you want to participate, set up a demo page(s) and email me a link
to the page(s) at webmaster@postgresql.org. Try to get your submissions
in before July 15th.

Vince.
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#3Vince Vielhaber
vev@michvhf.com
In reply to: Jeff MacDonald (#2)
Re: website design

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Just a suggestion, but is the page allowed to be database driven,
ie: something like a blog [us pre existing code like slashcode or
postnuke or something]

or does it have to be static to support the mirroring that is currently
in place.

Content can be read from files since we're using php, but that would be
part of the implementation.

Vince.
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#4Arguile
arguile@lucentstudios.com
In reply to: Vince Vielhaber (#1)
Re: website design

2) Elephant stays

You wouldn't happen to have a higher resolution copy, a layered version (ala
Photoshop), etc.? Playing around with the spiced and anti-aliased one
doesn't look so great.

#5Vince Vielhaber
vev@michvhf.com
In reply to: Arguile (#4)
Re: website design

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Arguile wrote:

2) Elephant stays

You wouldn't happen to have a higher resolution copy, a layered version (ala
Photoshop), etc.? Playing around with the spiced and anti-aliased one
doesn't look so great.

http://www.XX.postgresql.org/images/pg_diamond_210x180_blue.gif
http://www.XX.postgresql.org/images/pg_diamond_210x180_white.gif

replace XX with the country code of the mirror you use. eg. us for the
US mirror.

They're only on the main machine now, but should be everywhere in the
next 24 hours. It'll be on the US mirror within 6 hours.

Vince.
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#6The Hermit Hacker
scrappy@hub.org
In reply to: Jeff MacDonald (#2)
Re: website design

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Just a suggestion, but is the page allowed to be database driven,
ie: something like a blog [us pre existing code like slashcode or
postnuke or something]

or does it have to be static to support the mirroring that is currently
in place.

has to be mirrorable ... vince and I have tried, in the past, to think of
a good way of making it both dynamic *and* mirrorable, but never was able
to come up with what we thought were clean methods ... if you can think of
something, please feel free to propose it though, since there are various
projects we are working on that are going to be more database driven, and,
therefore, less mirrorable ;(

#7Jeff MacDonald
jeff@tsunamicreek.com
In reply to: The Hermit Hacker (#6)
Re: website design

Would this be a good "in practice" way to show off the replication features
?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@hub.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:55 PM
To: Jeff MacDonald
Cc: Vince Vielhaber; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] website design

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Just a suggestion, but is the page allowed to be database driven,
ie: something like a blog [us pre existing code like slashcode or
postnuke or something]

or does it have to be static to support the mirroring that is currently
in place.

has to be mirrorable ... vince and I have tried, in the past, to think of
a good way of making it both dynamic *and* mirrorable, but never was able
to come up with what we thought were clean methods ... if you can think of
something, please feel free to propose it though, since there are various
projects we are working on that are going to be more database driven, and,
therefore, less mirrorable ;(

#8The Hermit Hacker
scrappy@hub.org
In reply to: Jeff MacDonald (#7)
Re: website design

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Would this be a good "in practice" way to show off the replication features
?

would be except that now you are *really* throwing more heavy duty
requirements for the mirror sites themselves ... it was enough that we
required PHP4 ... requiring them to run a database to go along with that
would just be pure evil :)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@hub.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:55 PM
To: Jeff MacDonald
Cc: Vince Vielhaber; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] website design

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Just a suggestion, but is the page allowed to be database driven,
ie: something like a blog [us pre existing code like slashcode or
postnuke or something]

or does it have to be static to support the mirroring that is currently
in place.

has to be mirrorable ... vince and I have tried, in the past, to think of
a good way of making it both dynamic *and* mirrorable, but never was able
to come up with what we thought were clean methods ... if you can think of
something, please feel free to propose it though, since there are various
projects we are working on that are going to be more database driven, and,
therefore, less mirrorable ;(

#9Jeff MacDonald
jeff@tsunamicreek.com
In reply to: The Hermit Hacker (#8)
Re: website design

Eekk.. good point. back to the drawing board..

Could we get a list of folks that would be willing to run a replicated
server,
make them into a "server pool" and get the mirrors to connect to them..

I'm not sure if that would be a great solution, cause i'm not sure if most
of the traffic is because of images, static code, or whatever would be
coming
from the database...

I guess at the very least it's still good for discussion.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@hub.org]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:36 PM
To: Jeff MacDonald
Cc: Vince Vielhaber; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: RE: [GENERAL] website design

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Would this be a good "in practice" way to show off the

replication features

?

would be except that now you are *really* throwing more heavy duty
requirements for the mirror sites themselves ... it was enough that we
required PHP4 ... requiring them to run a database to go along with that
would just be pure evil :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@hub.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:55 PM
To: Jeff MacDonald
Cc: Vince Vielhaber; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] website design

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Just a suggestion, but is the page allowed to be database driven,
ie: something like a blog [us pre existing code like slashcode or
postnuke or something]

or does it have to be static to support the mirroring that

is currently

in place.

has to be mirrorable ... vince and I have tried, in the past,

to think of

a good way of making it both dynamic *and* mirrorable, but

never was able

to come up with what we thought were clean methods ... if you

can think of

something, please feel free to propose it though, since there

are various

projects we are working on that are going to be more database

driven, and,

therefore, less mirrorable ;(

#10Francisco Reyes
lists@natserv.com
In reply to: Jeff MacDonald (#9)
Re: website design

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Eekk.. good point. back to the drawing board..

Could we get a list of folks that would be willing to run a replicated
server,
make them into a "server pool" and get the mirrors to connect to them..

I'm not sure if that would be a great solution, cause i'm not sure if most
of the traffic is because of images, static code, or whatever would be
coming
from the database...

I guess at the very least it's still good for discussion.

It would also be a great test case and learning experience of distributed
databases and replication.

I would be very interested in further discussion along these lines.

I don't know about the existing site but perhaps we could split the
mirrors on DB mirrors and www mirrors. The list visible to users will only
list www mirrors.

We could have two DNS entries. One fixed to the main DB site and another
to a round robbin list of DB mirrors. The web site programs could try to
connect to the round robbin DBs first and if that fails then go to the
main site.

We could even have configuration files so mirror sites could
perhaps specify a preferred DB mirror and then the site would try the
preferred first, then the round robbin and then the primary site.

#11Vince Vielhaber
vev@michvhf.com
In reply to: Jeff MacDonald (#7)
Re: website design

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Would this be a good "in practice" way to show off the replication features
?

Looking from a security standpoint I'm not sure we'd want to.

Vince.
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#12Joshua D. Drake
jd@commandprompt.com
In reply to: Francisco Reyes (#10)
Re: website design

Hello,

Command Prompt would be willing to assist at multiple levels with this.

Francisco Reyes wrote:

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On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote:

Eekk.. good point. back to the drawing board..

Could we get a list of folks that would be willing to run a replicated
server,
make them into a "server pool" and get the mirrors to connect to them..

I'm not sure if that would be a great solution, cause i'm not sure if most
of the traffic is because of images, static code, or whatever would be
coming
from the database...

I guess at the very least it's still good for discussion.

It would also be a great test case and learning experience of distributed
databases and replication.

I would be very interested in further discussion along these lines.

I don't know about the existing site but perhaps we could split the
mirrors on DB mirrors and www mirrors. The list visible to users will only
list www mirrors.

We could have two DNS entries. One fixed to the main DB site and another
to a round robbin list of DB mirrors. The web site programs could try to
connect to the round robbin DBs first and if that fails then go to the
main site.

We could even have configuration files so mirror sites could
perhaps specify a preferred DB mirror and then the site would try the
preferred first, then the round robbin and then the primary site.

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#13Vince Vielhaber
vev@michvhf.com
In reply to: Joshua D. Drake (#12)
Re: website design

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

Hello,

Command Prompt would be willing to assist at multiple levels with this.

What we've had so far was alot of folks misunderstanding my original
request. I'm currently not as worried about making the site dynamic
as I am coming up with a new design. The design isn't for the mirror
page, that's something we've already had in the works. Part of that
is what Devrim posted a link to. That's not what I'm looking for in
this quest. This is for the main site. Users lounge (if that name
even stays), interfaces, docs, news, download, etc. It's the stuff
that everyone mirrors.

Vince.
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