OT: mail server blocked

Yes, I block wanadoo.fr. Should I unblock it? I have it marked as
'cronic' because i get lots of spam from there. Can I white-list only
your username?

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Tony Grant wrote:

Bruce,

I replied to your post and my mail was blocked by your spam filter.

Is it blocking Wanadoo?

TIA

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What would be a more friendly blocking message would be an invitation to be on
the white list. I've seen a very slowly increasing trend for that. My
prognostication talent says this is the wave of the future.

Bruce Momjian wrote:

On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Dennis Gearon wrote:

What would be a more friendly blocking message would be an invitation
to be on the white list. I've seen a very slowly increasing trend for
that. My prognostication talent says this is the wave of the future.

I'm sure most spammers would *love* to be invited onto whitelists! If
they can automate being added, even better! :-)

Personally, I block with bl.spamcop.net, so it's dynamic based on who
is sending spam "right now" (or in the last 48 hours).... wanadoo IP's
show up all the time, but it's not a network-wide-block.

<soapbox>
Or, even better: get an ISP who's not spam-friendly? I'm frustrated
that users of spam-friendly ISP's somehow think it's the problem of the
black/whitelist, or a problem at the recipient's end, since the
*source* of the problem is at the ISP who thinks nothing of polluting
the internet with 419 scams, donkey porn, and herbal viagra.

Get a good ISP, and never worry about being blacklisted again!
</soapbox>

Bruce Momjian wrote:

Yes, I block wanadoo.fr. Should I unblock it? I have it marked as
'cronic' because i get lots of spam from there. Can I white-list only
your username?
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Tony Grant wrote:

Bruce,
I replied to your post and my mail was blocked by your spam filter.
Is it blocking Wanadoo?
TIA

-Ronabop
Ronald Chmara
Ronin Professional Consulting LLC
520-326-6109
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On Tuesday 15 April 2003 15:55, Ronald Chmara scribed:

On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Dennis Gearon wrote:

What would be a more friendly blocking message would be an
invitation to be on the white list. I've seen a very slowly
increasing trend for that. My prognostication talent says this is
the wave of the future.

I'm sure most spammers would *love* to be invited onto whitelists! If
they can automate being added, even better! :-)

Personally, I block with bl.spamcop.net, so it's dynamic based on who
is sending spam "right now" (or in the last 48 hours).... wanadoo IP's
show up all the time, but it's not a network-wide-block.

<soapbox>
Or, even better: get an ISP who's not spam-friendly? I'm frustrated
that users of spam-friendly ISP's somehow think it's the problem of
the black/whitelist, or a problem at the recipient's end, since the
*source* of the problem is at the ISP who thinks nothing of polluting
the internet with 419 scams, donkey porn, and herbal viagra.

Get a good ISP, and never worry about being blacklisted again!
</soapbox>

Get a good ISP, and never worry about being blacklisted again!

Speaking of getting "good ISP"!

*Too bad* the PostgreSQL folks use the "blackest" of Black Hat ISP's
=> rackspace

ie:

http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=rackspace.com

I also use Spamcop's RBL.. but I got so sick of the spew from rackspace I added the following blacklist..
=> rackspace.blackholes.us

guess what... all my PostgreSQL mail lists stopped.. as they are hosted on rackspew... ie:

64.49.215.129
64.49.215.143
64.49.215.8

To keep my postgresql mail coming I did something I almost never do..

64.49.215.129:allow,RBLSMTPD=""
64.49.215.143:allow,RBLSMTPD=""
64.49.215.8:allow,RBLSMTPD=""

ethically doing business with them is wrong and really is contributing
the the overall degradation of the Internet, as they make out like they are
the Holy "Grail" of ISP's.. yet they are nothing more than a place for
scumbag SPAMMER's to do busines.

Please consider finding a new place to host your stuff... as these
people should not have the support of your company.

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On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 03:41:24PM -0700, Dennis Gearon wrote:

What would be a more friendly blocking message would be an invitation to be
on the white list. I've seen a very slowly increasing trend for that. My
prognostication talent says this is the wave of the future.

I say stop using blacklists and start using bayesian spam classifiers
(recent SpamAssasin for example). It's more costly because you have to
filter mail coming from known spammers, but you get much less false
positives. You also have to train it.

I actually filter all my pgsql lists, plus some spanish lists, through
one we made, and get 5-6 false negatives a day (spam as non-spam), and
3-4 false positives a week (non-spam as spam). 30-40 spam messages are
correctly detected daily. I dunno how much "real" email, but around 100
or 120 I think. With a well-written classifier the scores are better;
this one is more of an experiment, and it rarely gets feedback (good
ones feed every message into scorefiles).

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(Jason Alexander)

We run spamassassin 2.52 on all our servers, and I know that when I get it
re-enabled on teh pgsql-* lists, the amount of spam that got into the
moderators queue drop'd considerably ....

On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Alvaro Herrera wrote:

On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 03:41:24PM -0700, Dennis Gearon wrote:

What would be a more friendly blocking message would be an invitation to be
on the white list. I've seen a very slowly increasing trend for that. My
prognostication talent says this is the wave of the future.

I say stop using blacklists and start using bayesian spam classifiers
(recent SpamAssasin for example). It's more costly because you have to
filter mail coming from known spammers, but you get much less false
positives. You also have to train it.

I actually filter all my pgsql lists, plus some spanish lists, through
one we made, and get 5-6 false negatives a day (spam as non-spam), and
3-4 false positives a week (non-spam as spam). 30-40 spam messages are
correctly detected daily. I dunno how much "real" email, but around 100
or 120 I think. With a well-written classifier the scores are better;
this one is more of an experiment, and it rarely gets feedback (good
ones feed every message into scorefiles).

--
Alvaro Herrera (<alvherre[a]dcc.uchile.cl>)
La web junta la gente porque no importa que clase de mutante sexual seas,
tienes millones de posibles parejas. Pon "buscar gente que tengan sexo con
ciervos incendiánse", y el computador dirá "especifique el tipo de ciervo"
(Jason Alexander)

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d0p7heidumd4j02@sneakemail.com writes:

*Too bad* the PostgreSQL folks use the "blackest" of Black Hat ISP's
=> rackspace

The good news: Marc is leaving rackspace.

The bad news: he's moving to some colo in Panama. Keep an eye on
your filters ...

regards, tom lane

Yes, I block wanadoo.fr. Should I unblock it?

yes, too broad, and mostly wrong target.

I find the spam is from their "abo" PTR sub/domains so block by MTA IP with
PTR domain (and child domains) of abo.wanadoo.fr.

"abo" = abonne = subscriber = dialup + DSL

... leaving, eg, smtp.wanadoo.fr, their SMTP servers, acceptable.

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On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 00:02, Bruce Momjian wrote:

Yes, I block wanadoo.fr. Should I unblock it? I have it marked as
'cronic' because i get lots of spam from there. Can I white-list only
your username?

There was a DNS problem or your filter is very good. The mail was sent
by mail.tgds.net - the machine connected to mail.tgds.net is on a
Wanadoo aDSL account. There is no smtp server at the Wanadoo address.

Cheers

Tony Grant
--
www.tgds.net Library management software toolkit,
redhat linux on Sony Vaio C1XD,
Dreamweaver MX with Tomcat and PostgreSQL

On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 00:55, Ronald Chmara wrote:

<soapbox>
Or, even better: get an ISP who's not spam-friendly? I'm frustrated
that users of spam-friendly ISP's somehow think it's the problem of the
black/whitelist, or a problem at the recipient's end, since the
*source* of the problem is at the ISP who thinks nothing of polluting
the internet with 419 scams, donkey porn, and herbal viagra.

Get a good ISP, and never worry about being blacklisted again!
</soapbox>

Wanadoo was the only provider of aDSL until very recently. Some of us
don't have the luxury of choosing their ISP.

I have just signed with 9telecom and am waiting (like thousands of
others) to have my account activated. They are 15 EUR/$ cheaper per
month and they will soon be offering 1024 Mb aDSL for less that the 512
Mb I have now.

You can bet that at that price you will soon be blocking spam from their
domaine as well as Wanadoo...

Cheers

Tony Grant
--
www.tgds.net Library management software toolkit,
redhat linux on Sony Vaio C1XD,
Dreamweaver MX with Tomcat and PostgreSQL

My company is an ISP and over the next couple of month we're going to be testing
some satellite based IP services (including internet and VPNs). If you (or
anyone else) is interested I can add you to our list of interest parties. The
service we're going to roll out is going to be geared more to businesses and
"power users" so I'm going to try and make it as flexible as possible while
maintaining the strict security environment we have now. Just putting it out
there...

Quoting Tony Grant <tony@tgds.net>:

On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 00:55, Ronald Chmara wrote:

<soapbox>
Or, even better: get an ISP who's not spam-friendly? I'm frustrated
that users of spam-friendly ISP's somehow think it's the problem of the
black/whitelist, or a problem at the recipient's end, since the
*source* of the problem is at the ISP who thinks nothing of polluting
the internet with 419 scams, donkey porn, and herbal viagra.

Get a good ISP, and never worry about being blacklisted again!
</soapbox>

Wanadoo was the only provider of aDSL until very recently. Some of us
don't have the luxury of choosing their ISP.

I have just signed with 9telecom and am waiting (like thousands of
others) to have my account activated. They are 15 EUR/$ cheaper per
month and they will soon be offering 1024 Mb aDSL for less that the 512
Mb I have now.

You can bet that at that price you will soon be blocking spam from their
domaine as well as Wanadoo...

Cheers

Tony Grant
--
www.tgds.net Library management software toolkit,
redhat linux on Sony Vaio C1XD,
Dreamweaver MX with Tomcat and PostgreSQL

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I personally think the approach of blocking entire ISP is stupid. I've
been unable to send Tom mail for quite some time (and others on this
list) because all of XO.com is block. We have a rack in their chicago
datacenters with all our own equipment that's managed by us. With all
the spam being sent from everywhere, i'm amazed people who take this
approach don't just block 100% of their mail from everwhere and never
get another email. This idea of good / bad ISP is a little misquided
when you come down to the practicality of things.

On Wednesday, April 16, 2003, at 01:02 AM, Tony Grant wrote:

On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 00:55, Ronald Chmara wrote:

<soapbox>
Or, even better: get an ISP who's not spam-friendly? I'm frustrated
that users of spam-friendly ISP's somehow think it's the problem of
the
black/whitelist, or a problem at the recipient's end, since the
*source* of the problem is at the ISP who thinks nothing of polluting
the internet with 419 scams, donkey porn, and herbal viagra.

Get a good ISP, and never worry about being blacklisted again!
</soapbox>

Wanadoo was the only provider of aDSL until very recently. Some of us
don't have the luxury of choosing their ISP.

I have just signed with 9telecom and am waiting (like thousands of
others) to have my account activated. They are 15 EUR/$ cheaper per
month and they will soon be offering 1024 Mb aDSL for less that the 512
Mb I have now.

You can bet that at that price you will soon be blocking spam from
their
domaine as well as Wanadoo...

Cheers

Tony Grant
--
www.tgds.net Library management software toolkit,
redhat linux on Sony Vaio C1XD,
Dreamweaver MX with Tomcat and PostgreSQL

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On Tuesday 15 April 2003 22:59, Tom Lane tgl-at-sss.pgh.pa.us |postgresql| scribed:

d0p7heidumd4j02@sneakemail.com writes:

*Too bad* the PostgreSQL folks use the "blackest" of Black Hat ISP's
=> rackspace

The good news: Marc is leaving rackspace.

The bad news: he's moving to some colo in Panama. Keep an eye on
your filters ...

The sad fact being that the majority of the SPAM
orginates in the good old USA.

Mainly from companies such as rackspace, verio, eli, level3, charter..
sigh one could go on.

So moving to a colo in Panama would be an improvement over rackspew.

:-)