PostgreSQL Certification

Josh,

Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).

Who else is in this? Have you talked to the Venezualan folks? SRA?

As you know, I'm strongly in favor of a good, generally respected
certification. Let's get all of the interested folks on one project.

--Josh

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Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Current broadcast members are:

Myself
Magnus
Robert
Chander (need to get him on the website)

Bruce has a pending invitation (which I didn't send yet)

I have not spoken with SRA or the Venezualan folks but am more than
happy to have them involved.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake
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Josh,

I have not spoken with SRA or the Venezualan folks but am more than
happy to have them involved.

OK, I'll get you some contact info.

--Josh

Can you show us the goals of the PostgreSQL Certification ?
I always voted for the united PostgreSQL Certification program
(amin, developer) we could promote with the help of commercial companies.
In my opinion, common certificate, valid in all countries will be much more
useful than buttons. We have several good authors who can be sponsored to
write certification courses with the help of developers.

Oleg
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

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Hey guys,

Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).

For more information please visit:

http://www.postgresqlcertification.org/

Joshua D. Drake

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Josh Berkus wrote:

Josh,

Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).

Who else is in this? Have you talked to the Venezualan folks? SRA?

As you know, I'm strongly in favor of a good, generally respected
certification. Let's get all of the interested folks on one project.

Am i automatically disqualified by asking who "the Venezualan folks" are?

b

Josh Berkus wrote:

Josh,

Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).

Who else is in this? Have you talked to the Venezualan folks? SRA?

As you know, I'm strongly in favor of a good, generally respected
certification. Let's get all of the interested folks on one project.

You may know that I'm part of the BSD Certification Group. Proper
certification is not a trivial project. I joined up.

--
Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference: http://www.bsdcan.org/
PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/

I suggest to explicitly invite the Russian folks too.
Oleg showed strong interest in a global certification thing.

we can contribute some material and so on if needed. it is currently
in german but it should not be a big problem.

many thanks,

hans

On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:17:43 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Current broadcast members are:

Myself
Magnus
Robert
Chander (need to get him on the website)

Bruce has a pending invitation (which I didn't send yet)

I have not spoken with SRA or the Venezualan folks but am more than
happy to have them involved.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake
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donate
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On January 30, 2008 08:03:14 pm Dan Langille wrote:

You may know that I'm part of the BSD Certification Group. Proper
certification is not a trivial project. I joined up.

Dan's right, the certification process is equal to the effort expended
administrating the PostgreSQL community. Whomever becomes the lead on this
must realize that this is potentially a full time job. As well, although SRA
is the best example we have currently of PostgreSQL 'testing/certification'
it is not the model that we should be looking at for an opensource
implementation. You want to contact Dru for advice, otherwise it will take
you two years just to get you up to speed (this is not an exaggeration) on
the issues.

Robert

Josh,

Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).

Who else is in this? Have you talked to the Venezualan folks? SRA?

As you know, I'm strongly in favor of a good, generally respected
certification. Let's get all of the interested folks on one project.

Up to now SRA OSS, Inc. Japan's certification has more than 1,000
examinees. I'm proud of this, but am not satisfied with this. From the
beginning of the certification, I have a dream that someday the
certification be managed by public entity, not by a private company
like us. Yes, that's my goal. So if Josh and his folks are very
serious about making a good certfication, I'm more than happy to help
them.

However running a certification programs (not just making examins) is
not a trivial work. Moreover it costs a lot of money (over $40,000 per
year in our case). Josh, how do you overcome those problems?
--
Tatsuo Ishii
SRA OSS, Inc. Japan

Tatsuo Ishii wrote:

Josh,

However running a certification programs (not just making examins) is
not a trivial work. Moreover it costs a lot of money (over $40,000 per
year in our case). Josh, how do you overcome those problems?

As the resources become required I am sure that I can make sure they are
provided.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

Well until now... i think i am the only venezuelan here.... i havent
been able to locate Cesar Villanueva.... >.< anyone knows other
venezuelans arround?

Btw... i've joined the cert list aswell

2008/1/31, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com>:

Santiago Zarate wrote:

Well until now... i think i am the only venezuelan here.... i havent
been able to locate Cesar Villanueva.... >.< anyone knows other
venezuelans arround?

I think they are talking about Ricardo Strusberg. He was interested in
setting up a Pg training/certification program.

Regarding Cesar Villanueva, I bet you can reach him at
ve@postgresql.org.

--
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The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc.

Well i'm also want to be PostgreSQL Certificated, Zarate always said that he
is the only one in Venezuela, but we are several people who want to have
certified on PostgreSQL

On Feb 1, 2008 4:19 PM, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote:

Roberto, was talking about the pgsl-advocacy list...

Anyway chech the mail about the PUG i sent you few months ago... if
you dont have it mailme... ill froward it to you... the same for any
other venezuelan interested in the PUG/list :p

@alvaro done it few weeks ago... and got a mailbox error stuff...
anyway wrote to him this evening again.. lets see
2008/2/2, Roberto Tortolero <roberto.tortolero@gmail.com>:

Le Wednesday 30 January 2008 23:16:42 Joshua D. Drake, vous avez écrit :

Hey guys,

Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).

This is a great idea ! You can count on me for french translation.

May i suggest that we use a wiki in addition to the mailing-list ?
To me, wiki-based working seems more efficient for tasks like collective
brainstorming or collaborative writing.

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http://dalibo.org | http://dalibo.com

Hi all,

First of all, thanks to Josuah to start this usefull and long time
waited project :-)

Oleg Bartunov wrote :

Can you show us the goals of the PostgreSQL Certification ?

To me, there are two things Id like to be "PostgreSQL Certified":

- individuals
- companies

Id really prefer my company be certified by the community rather than by
a company, despite the full respect I have in SRA's engagement in
PostgreSQL and that we all know their contributions.

I always voted for the united PostgreSQL Certification program (amin,
developer) we could promote with the help of commercial companies.

Count on us (Dalibo) and us (PostgreSQLFr non-profit).

In my opinion, common certificate, valid in all countries will be much more
useful than buttons.

Definitely. We discussed the topic at Prato. We were talking there about
it could be a project inside PostgreSQL-Europe.

I'd be more than happy if this could be a Worldwide project instead.

We have several good authors who can be sponsored
to write certification courses with the help of developers.

Yes, I think so. Dalibo could contribute too, on its own. I know some of
the non-profit that can contribute too.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hey guys,

Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).

For more information please visit:
http://www.postgresqlcertification.org/
Joshua D. Drake

Thanks for such a good initiative, Josuah:

�Your subscription request has been received..�: let's talk about this
in the mailing-list :)

Cheers,

--
Jean-Paul Argudo
www.PostgreSQLFr.org
www.Dalibo.com

Argentina presente ;-)

Regards,
gb.-

On Feb 3, 2008 6:49 AM, Jean-Paul Argudo <jean-paul@argudo.org> wrote:

Hi all,

First of all, thanks to Josuah to start this usefull and long time
waited project :-)

Oleg Bartunov wrote :

Can you show us the goals of the PostgreSQL Certification ?

To me, there are two things Id like to be "PostgreSQL Certified":

- individuals
- companies

Id really prefer my company be certified by the community rather than by
a company, despite the full respect I have in SRA's engagement in
PostgreSQL and that we all know their contributions.

I always voted for the united PostgreSQL Certification program (amin,
developer) we could promote with the help of commercial companies.

Count on us (Dalibo) and us (PostgreSQLFr non-profit).

In my opinion, common certificate, valid in all countries will be much more
useful than buttons.

Definitely. We discussed the topic at Prato. We were talking there about
it could be a project inside PostgreSQL-Europe.

I'd be more than happy if this could be a Worldwide project instead.

We have several good authors who can be sponsored
to write certification courses with the help of developers.

Yes, I think so. Dalibo could contribute too, on its own. I know some of
the non-profit that can contribute too.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hey guys,

Myself and a small team of PostgreSQL contributors have started a new
community project for PostgreSQL Certification. It is just launching
but we wanted to get it out there so that people can join in on the
discussion now :).

For more information please visit:
http://www.postgresqlcertification.org/
Joshua D. Drake

Thanks for such a good initiative, Josuah:

«Your subscription request has been received..»: let's talk about this
in the mailing-list :)

Cheers,

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www.PostgreSQLFr.org
www.Dalibo.com

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JPA,

Id really prefer my company be certified by the community rather than by
a company, despite the full respect I have in SRA's engagement in
PostgreSQL and that we all know their contributions.

What would it mean for a company to be certified?

--Josh

Josh Berkus wrote:

Id really prefer my company be certified by the community rather than by
a company, despite the full respect I have in SRA's engagement in
PostgreSQL and that we all know their contributions.

What would it mean for a company to be certified?

I'd hope it'd mean that I can have some degree of confidence
hiring that organization for Postgresql support. No?

It seems to have very similar benefits as certifying individuals.

Microsoft seems to have something like that for their
partners in their "Database Management competency"
https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40012911