Changes to Contributor List

Tom,

I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
get listed that way, at least.

Yeah, I was thinking of moving them from "Major Contributors" to just
"Contributors". We'd rather have a "Past Contributors"?

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-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
contributed any code since 7.1.0?

I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
get listed that way, at least.

regards, tom lane

Tom Lane wrote:

Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
contributed any code since 7.1.0?

I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
get listed that way, at least.

Yes, I think we are going to use that Emeritus list only for special
contributors who aren't involved any more. I think Brian ??? would be a
good addition too. He was around during 1.X and 6.X. Marc? Remember?

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Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on
developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please take a gander at:
http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php

... and tell me what's out of date other than me & Vadim? i.e.:

A) What contributors are missing from the list?
B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed
any code since 7.1.0?
C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?
D) Who needs their description updated? (Text, please ... I won't write it)

Jan Wieck in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, (JanWieck@Yahoo.com,
<a href="http://www.afilias.info&quot;&gt;Afilias USA INC.</a>)

overhauled the query rewrite rule system, wrote our procedural languages
PL/pgSQL and PL/Tcl and many other complex features like TOAST.

Jan

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Tom Lane wrote:

Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
contributed any code since 7.1.0?

I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
get listed that way, at least.

I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.

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  pgman@candle.pha.pa.us               |  (610) 359-1001
  +  If your life is a hard drive,     |  13 Roberts Road
  +  Christ can be your backup.        |  Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073

Guys,

Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
January.

--
-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

emeritus is a perfectly good latin word. No need to
dumb things down.

--elein

Josh Berkus wrote:

Guys,

Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
January.

Agreed. I think Jan is the only one who knows how to updated it. Jan?

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Tom,

Yeah. It was cute when we did it but it's overkill as a way of pointing
out that we have a worldwide development community. We can just say
that...

I'll be happy to re-do it someday using OOo's imagemapper. But not this week
...

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-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:

Josh Berkus wrote:

Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
January.

Agreed.

Yeah. It was cute when we did it but it's overkill as a way of pointing
out that we have a worldwide development community. We can just say
that...

regards, tom lane

Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
January.

Personally, I don't really see the need for developer.postgresql.org
to be a separate sub-site. Since it is basically just a collection of
links to other resources (CVSweb, TODO list, devel docs build, etc.),
why not just make it a page or two on www.postgresql.org?

-Neil

Josh Berkus writes:

If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on
developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please take a gander at:
http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php

One thing that really puzzles me is this web page:

http://advocacy.postgresql.org/about/

This is sort of the same web page that we're talking about here, but it
lists the developers below the press contacts as also-rans. What's worse,
this is the web page that people will get to if they go to if they go to
http://www.postgresql.org and click on the first link they see: "What
is...". Don't get me wrong, press contacts and advocacy team deserve
recognition as well, but not on a page that is indirectly labelled "What
is PostgreSQL". It makes it look like the project is run by marketing
dudes.

--
Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net

Neil Conway writes:

Personally, I don't really see the need for developer.postgresql.org
to be a separate sub-site. Since it is basically just a collection of
links to other resources (CVSweb, TODO list, devel docs build, etc.),
why not just make it a page or two on www.postgresql.org?

I agree to that. The best way to get people involved is if we have an
integrated presentation of the project. That is, users, developers,
marketing, documentation, web mastering, translation, whatever. Right
now, the developers sit in their own corner, and users think, "These
people can't even be bothered to present relevant information in the main
web site; they don't want me." The marketing people sit in another
corner, and apparently their marketing strategy is "make the marketing
site look as much unlike anything else in the project as possible". And,
well, all the other people don't sit anywhere, because the main site
understands itself as a portal, and there is no obvious way that other
groups can integrate.

Check out www.debian.org or www.freebsd.org to see what I mean.
Everything is there at one glance, everything looks the same, everyone is
invited everywhere.

--
Peter Eisentraut peter_e@gmx.net

Bruce Momjian wrote:

Tom Lane wrote:

Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't
contributed any code since 7.1.0?

I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
get listed that way, at least.

I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.

Rupert Murdoch once sacked an editor (over the Hitler Diaries forgery
fiasco) by giving him the title of "Editor Emeritus". The editor asked
what it meant and Murdoch is reported to have replied "It's Latin,
Frank. The 'e' means you're out and the 'meritus' means you deserve it."

:-)

cheers

andrew

Peter,

http://advocacy.postgresql.org/about/

This is sort of the same web page that we're talking about here, but it
lists the developers below the press contacts as also-rans. What's worse,
this is the web page that people will get to if they go to if they go to
http://www.postgresql.org and click on the first link they see: "What
is...".

??? I thought we fixed that link.

Don't get me wrong, press contacts and advocacy team deserve
recognition as well, but not on a page that is indirectly labelled "What
is PostgreSQL". It makes it look like the project is run by marketing
dudes.

Yeah, you're right,it's confusing .... we should have two seperate pages, one
for "What is the PGDG" possibly linking to developer., and one page for
"Contact Us". As it is, they two are munged together.

The problem is getting it fixed before 7.4 .... there are 7 translations ....

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-Josh Berkus
Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

If possible, for the upcoming release we'd like to get the Contributor List on
developer.postgresql.org updated. Can everyone please take a gander at:
http://developer.postgresql.org/bios.php

... and tell me what's out of date other than me & Vadim? i.e.:

A) What contributors are missing from the list?
B) What contributors are listed under Major Developers who haven't contributed
any code since 7.1.0?
C) Who needs their e-mail address updated?
D) Who needs their description updated? (Text, please ... I won't write it)

Who is eligible to be a "contributor" ?
Who wrote a single line of code that now is inside Postgres?
Who discovered a "major" bug ?
Who partecipate actively to all discussions ?

Regards
Gaetano Mendola

I think we had agreed that formerly-listed contributors would not be
deleted, but would be moved to a new section titled "Contributors
Emeritus" or some such. Please make sure that Tom Lockhart and Vadim
get listed that way, at least.

I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.

Isn't that an even better reason to use it? :)

Chris

I think the "Emeritus" word might be too hard for non-native English
speakers, and even for less educated English speakers.

Isn't that an even better reason to use it? :)

My personal opinion would be that they can use dictionary.com if they
don't know what it means.

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Josh,

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Josh Berkus wrote:

Oh, and how about we kill the Image Map of major developers? It's about 4
years out of date, and makes developers.postgresql.org load like molasses in
January.

I'm working on a new developer site. I've posted to -www & -core about
this some months ago. I've asked -core list to write theis opinions about
this, but noone replied me.

As we've talked a bit on -www, I will be using the same schema that
PostgreSQL.org uses; with slightly different colors. I wanted to finish it
before the release of v7.4. I'm very overloaded nowadays; so I hope to
finish it in a month.

So, could we please talk about developers site on a new thread? As I've
said before, I believe that developer.PostgreSQL.org seems so bad for us.

Regards,
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Devrim GUNDUZ
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http://www.tdmsoft.com
http://www.gunduz.org
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