Time to update list of contributors

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:08:36 -0800
Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
http://www.postgresql.org/developer/bios

Here's the list of people I gleaned from the release notes (btw, if
people have countries for the folks who aren't attributed, I'd
appreciate them). Of course, there are many contributors to essential
non-core code who should be listed as well:

It would be useful to know the requirements to be listed...

Joshua D. Drake

Tom Lane, USA
Peter Eisentraut, Germany
Bruce Momjian, USA
Simon Riggs, England
Pavan Deolasee, India
Itagaki Takahiro, Japan
Greg Smith, USA
David Fetter, USA
Pavel Stehule, Czech
Greg Stark, USA
Heikki Linnakangas
Oleg Bartunov, Russia
Florian Pflug
Jeff Davis, USA
Trevor Hardcastle
Nikhil S
Holdger Schurig
D'Arcy Cain, Canada
Gevik Babakhani, Netherlands
Teodor Sigaev, Russia
Alvaro Herrera, Chile
Mark Kirkwood, New Zealand
Joachim Wieland
Henry Hotz, USA
Magnus Haeglander, Sweden
Tatsuo Ishii, Japan
Victor Wagner
Bill Moran, USA
Andrew Dunstan, USA
Arul Shaji
Nickolay Samokhvalov, Russia
Neil Conway, Canada
Marc Fournier, Canada
Jaime Casanova, Venezuala
Albert Cervera
Bernd Helmle
Glen Parker
Jan Wieck, USA
Steve Marshall
Paul Bayer
Doug Knight
Greg Sabino Mullane, USA
Chad Wagner
Brendan Jurd
Euler Taviera de Oliveira, Brazil
Joe Conway, USA
Michael M., Germany
Guillaume Smet, France
Mark Cotner
Chris Marcellino, Italy
Dave Cramer, Canada
Devrim Gunduz, Turkey
Jeremy Drake
Marko Kreen, Estonia
Kris Jurka, Finland
Tom Dunstan, USA

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Josh Berkus wrote:

Kris Jurka, Finland

USA actually.

Kris Jurka

"Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
...
Greg Stark, USA

I'm not sure what the countries are supposed to signify but that's neither the
country I hail from nor where I'm currently living.

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Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com> writes:

"Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

Time for the annual update of this list:
Greg Stark, USA

I'm not sure what the countries are supposed to signify but that's
neither the country I hail from nor where I'm currently living.

Just tell us how you want to be listed ...

regards, tom lane

On Nov 27, 2007 7:08 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Jaime Casanova, Venezuala

Ecuador

Bernd Helmle

and he's from germany
http://www.oopsware.de/private/bernd.html

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So far, the universe is winning."
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On Nov 28, 2007 5:38 AM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:

Nikhil S

Nikhil is from India, EnterpriseDB.

Thanks,
Pavan

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Hi,

On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 11:44 +0530, Pavan Deolasee wrote:

Nikhil S

Nikhil is from India, EnterpriseDB.

What is his surname? I think we need that for adding to web page.

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IMHO, it may not be a bad idea to list countries , it shows the diversity of the community.

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Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Time to update list of contributors

"Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
...
Greg Stark, USA

I'm not sure what the countries are supposed to signify but that's neither the
country I hail from nor where I'm currently living.

--
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EnterpriseDB http://www.enterprisedb.com
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Josh Berkus wrote:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
http://www.postgresql.org/developer/bios

Here's the list of people I gleaned from the release notes (btw, if people
have countries for the folks who aren't attributed, I'd appreciate them).
Of course, there are many contributors to essential non-core code who
should be listed as well:

Hiroshi Saito has made a number of smaller but important contributions
this cycle.

Heikki is from Finland, but currently living in the UK.

You also missed my name despite it being attributed to 3 items in the
release notes, but I don't suppose that matters as I'm in the core
section anyway.

/D

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 04:08:36PM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
http://www.postgresql.org/developer/bios

Here's the list of people I gleaned from the release notes (btw, if people
have countries for the folks who aren't attributed, I'd appreciate them).
Of course, there are many contributors to essential non-core code who
should be listed as well:

The mentioned page has a split in "core", "major" and "other" developers.
The first part is easy, but a difference is needed between the other two I
think.

As for those we don't have info for, we could always email them and ask?
For major developers, we also list company name if they're working on
company time...

Magnus Haeglander, Sweden

Cool new spelling. Maybe I should start using that one :-) Did you just
come up with it, or is that actually in some document somewhere?

//Magnus

Dave Page wrote:

Josh Berkus wrote:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
http://www.postgresql.org/developer/bios

Here's the list of people I gleaned from the release notes (btw, if people
have countries for the folks who aren't attributed, I'd appreciate them).
Of course, there are many contributors to essential non-core code who
should be listed as well:

Hiroshi Saito has made a number of smaller but important contributions
this cycle.

Heikki is from Finland, but currently living in the UK.

You also missed my name despite it being attributed to 3 items in the
release notes, but I don't suppose that matters as I'm in the core
section anyway.

yeah well - the release notes do not make that good a reference on the
"who submitted patches" question anyway because the do not contain stuff
that are mere compile failures or add support for additional
platforms/cleanups) of new features (ie my patches to add GSSAPI support
to OpenBSD/Solaris or things full text command/tabcomplete support in psql).
So in effect that list might more correctly be called a "feature
contributor list"

Stefan

Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote:

yeah well - the release notes do not make that good a reference on the
"who submitted patches" question anyway because the do not contain stuff
that are mere compile failures or add support for additional
platforms/cleanups) of new features (ie my patches to add GSSAPI support
to OpenBSD/Solaris or things full text command/tabcomplete support in
psql).
So in effect that list might more correctly be called a "feature
contributor list"

Agreed - and that's exactly why Hiroshi got left off I think. His work
included lots of testing and subsequent platform specific build fixes
and code cleanup/fixes.

I should also point out that the contributor list has always included
people who have contributed to non-core community projects in the past
as well - psqlODBC, the JDBC driver, pgInstaller, pgAccess, pgAdmin,
infrastructure/web etc. so Josh's update should not necessarily remove
those people (though an argument could be made for giving those people
their own section).

/D

"Gregory Stark" <stark@enterprisedb.com> writes:

"Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
...
Greg Stark, USA

I'm not sure what the countries are supposed to signify but that's neither the
country I hail from nor where I'm currently living.

Sorry, forgot to say what to put instead. I'll go with "Canada" -- it's more
exotic :)

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:46:36 +0000
Dave Page <dpage@postgresql.org> wrote:

I should also point out that the contributor list has always included
people who have contributed to non-core community projects in the past
as well - psqlODBC, the JDBC driver, pgInstaller, pgAccess, pgAdmin,
infrastructure/web etc. so Josh's update should not necessarily
remove those people (though an argument could be made for giving
those people their own section).

This list seems to be oddly designed anyway. Who is a developer? Is a
developer different than a -hacker?

Not to mention there don't seem to be any defined rules. I asked Berkus
and his reply was, "It has always been a little fuzzy". I asked Devrim
and he gave me 5 bullet points that don't quite make sense.

Further I think this list is in the wrong place. It is
under /developers which to mean is most intuitive to information "for"
developers not a listing of them.

I think the listing should probably go under about/contributors and
under contributors would be:

Core <-- this is obvious
Committers <-- this is obvious the only question is it only
committers to the source tree or do we want to give equal billing to
the -www guys (I think yes to equal billing)
Members (really I think this should be contributors but then it is
duplicative)
Hacker Emeritus
Special Thanks (not sure about this, but basically this is "others")

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:58:27 +0000
Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com> wrote:

"Gregory Stark" <stark@enterprisedb.com> writes:

"Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
...
Greg Stark, USA

I'm not sure what the countries are supposed to signify but that's
neither the country I hail from nor where I'm currently living.

Sorry, forgot to say what to put instead. I'll go with "Canada" --
it's more exotic :)

I believe the list is where you are actually at. Aren't you in the UK
right now?

Joshua D. Drake

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Joshua D. Drake wrote:

Not to mention there don't seem to be any defined rules. I asked Berkus
and his reply was, "It has always been a little fuzzy". I asked Devrim
and he gave me 5 bullet points that don't quite make sense.

Not sure what Devrim is referring to, but most often in the past Rob (or
someone else) has proposed changes to -core which we've said yay or nay to.

Further I think this list is in the wrong place. It is
under /developers which to mean is most intuitive to information "for"
developers not a listing of them.

Maybe. Where else would it go?

I think the listing should probably go under about/contributors and
under contributors would be:

Core <-- this is obvious
Committers <-- this is obvious the only question is it only
committers to the source tree or do we want to give equal billing to
the -www guys (I think yes to equal billing)

Actually we've previously agreed (in -core) that we do not want to list
committers for various reasons. Yeah, I know the list isn't too hard to
figure out, but we don't want to advertise it.

Members (really I think this should be contributors but then it is
duplicative)

Why not Hackers? Noone is a 'member' of anything except core or mayber
the web/infrastructure team.

/D

"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> writes:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:58:27 +0000
Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com> wrote:

"Gregory Stark" <stark@enterprisedb.com> writes:

"Josh Berkus" <josh@agliodbs.com> writes:

All,

Time for the annual update of this list:
...
Greg Stark, USA

I'm not sure what the countries are supposed to signify but that's
neither the country I hail from nor where I'm currently living.

Sorry, forgot to say what to put instead. I'll go with "Canada" --
it's more exotic :)

I believe the list is where you are actually at. Aren't you in the UK
right now?

Yep. That's fine with me too.

Perhaps it's even better if there's any thought of using this list to drive
the advocacy or user group efforts.

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:27:42 +0000
Dave Page <dpage@postgresql.org> wrote:

Actually we've previously agreed (in -core) that we do not want to
list committers for various reasons. Yeah, I know the list isn't too
hard to figure out, but we don't want to advertise it.

Oh right, I actually recall that...

Members (really I think this should be contributors but then it
is duplicative)

Why not Hackers? Noone is a 'member' of anything except core or mayber
the web/infrastructure team.

Define Hacker. And I could argue that some are members of PGDG. What
about those who provide just as much time and energy in advocacy as
others do on -heackers? What about people that are working on external
projects only such as Slony or PLproxy?

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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Joshua D. Drake wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:27:42 +0000
Dave Page <dpage@postgresql.org> wrote:

Why not Hackers? Noone is a 'member' of anything except core or mayber
the web/infrastructure team.

Define Hacker. And I could argue that some are members of PGDG.

Says he who only the other day muttered something about how PGDG wasn't
a defined entity :-)

What
about those who provide just as much time and energy in advocacy as
others do on -heackers? What about people that are working on external
projects only such as Slony or PLproxy?

The latter are still hackers using the definition we're likely to agree
on (ie. not a cracker). Both groups are 'Contributors' though. Maybe
just use 'Regular contributors' and 'Occasional contributors'. Or major
and minor. Or something entirely different.

/D