Beta going well

I don't think so ... let's talk beta2 in mid November, with a much broader
announcement then just -hackers, with maybe an rc1 around the end of
November, schedualing a release for January 1st or there abouts ...

Few ppl ever jump onto Beta1 of anything ... there have been some changes
since Beta, so a Beta2 is warranted ... rc1 is when we've always stated
that we are confident with it for release, so that more ppl start to jump
on ...

On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:

On Saturday 03 November 2001 07:51 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

I don't think so ... let's talk beta2 in mid November, with a much broader
announcement then just -hackers, with maybe an rc1 around the end of
November, schedualing a release for January 1st or there abouts ...

FYI, I went to the developers page on the web site and clicked on the link
"Beta versions of PostgreSQL". That took me to
http://developer.postgresql.org/beta.php which said, "No beta software
currently available" Since beta 1 has been released, is the site just out of
date, or is it intentionally not listed there?

I don't think so ... let's talk beta2 in mid November, with a much broader
announcement then just -hackers, with maybe an rc1 around the end of
November, schedualing a release for January 1st or there abouts ...

Few ppl ever jump onto Beta1 of anything ... there have been some changes
since Beta, so a Beta2 is warranted ... rc1 is when we've always stated
that we are confident with it for release, so that more ppl start to jump
on ...

I am afraid you may be correct. It bothers me that we will spend
another two months doing little but waiting, and considering post-final,
there could be three months of downtime here. Yuck.

Folks, can we shorten this up? If no one is reporting on beta1, let's
roll a beta2, and if we don't get anything major in a week, can't we go
to rc1?

-- 
  Bruce Momjian                        |  http://candle.pha.pa.us
  pgman@candle.pha.pa.us               |  (610) 853-3000
  +  If your life is a hard drive,     |  830 Blythe Avenue
  +  Christ can be your backup.        |  Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026

On Saturday 03 November 2001 07:51 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

I don't think so ... let's talk beta2 in mid November, with a much broader
announcement then just -hackers, with maybe an rc1 around the end of
November, schedualing a release for January 1st or there abouts ...

Few ppl ever jump onto Beta1 of anything ... there have been some changes
since Beta, so a Beta2 is warranted ... rc1 is when we've always stated
that we are confident with it for release, so that more ppl start to jump
on ...

In addition to my previous post, I have been trying unsuccessfully for the
last 10 - 15 mintues to find somewhere that I can download the beta software
from. ftp.postgresql.org is at it's user limit and the message references
the mirror list found at

http://www.postgresql.org/sites.html

However when I go to this link I am redirected to

http://www.postgresql.org/

"Matthew T. O'Connor" wrote:

<snip>

http://www.postgresql.org/sites.html

Just tried this link (using Netscape) and got a :

Not Found

The requested URL /css/depts.css was not found on this server.

Seems to be a missing CSS. :(

+ Justin

However when I go to this link I am redirected to

http://www.postgresql.org/

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your
message can get through to the mailing list cleanly

--
"My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those
who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the
first group; there was less competition there."
- Indira Gandhi

Folks, can we shorten this up? If no one is reporting on beta1, let's
roll a beta2, and if we don't get anything major in a week, can't we go
to rc1?

I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, is there somewhere TO report
success or only failures?

- Brandon

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
c: 646-456-5455 h: 201-798-4983
b. palmer, bpalmer@crimelabs.net pgp:crimelabs.net/bpalmer.pgp5

On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 09:08:54PM -0600, Matthew T. O'Connor wrote:

[beta1 talk]

In addition to my previous post, I have been trying unsuccessfully for the
last 10 - 15 mintues to find somewhere that I can download the beta software
from. ftp.postgresql.org is at it's user limit and the message references
the mirror list found at

http://www.postgresql.org/sites.html

However when I go to this link I am redirected to

http://www.postgresql.org/

Worse, that's been the case for at least a few weeks. I've only satisfied
my repeated downloads of 7.1.3 by having known about ftp.us.postgresql.org.
The web site has been looping, in various states of broken, as you say.

-jeremy
_____________________________________________________________________
jeremy wohl ..: http://igmus.org

Folks, can we shorten this up? If no one is reporting on beta1, let's
roll a beta2, and if we don't get anything major in a week, can't we go
to rc1?

I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, is there somewhere TO report
success or only failures?

That is a good question. Right now we only get problem reports.
However, considering we sort of stopped adding stuff around
mid-September, we really have been in beta for 1.5 months now so it is
no surprise things are looking very stable.

I just hate to wait around if there is a low probability that something
major will be reported.

-- 
  Bruce Momjian                        |  http://candle.pha.pa.us
  pgman@candle.pha.pa.us               |  (610) 853-3000
  +  If your life is a hard drive,     |  830 Blythe Avenue
  +  Christ can be your backup.        |  Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026

bpalmer wrote:

Folks, can we shorten this up? If no one is reporting on beta1, let's
roll a beta2, and if we don't get anything major in a week, can't we go
to rc1?

I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, is there somewhere TO report
success or only failures?

We have a place where we can report platforms which pass the regression
tests, called the "Regression Test Database" :

http://developer.postgresql.org/regress/

Is this what you're after?

:-)

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift

- Brandon

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
c: 646-456-5455 h: 201-798-4983
b. palmer, bpalmer@crimelabs.net pgp:crimelabs.net/bpalmer.pgp5

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your
message can get through to the mailing list cleanly

--
"My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those
who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the
first group; there was less competition there."
- Indira Gandhi

I don't think so ... let's talk beta2 in mid November, with a much broader
announcement then just -hackers, with maybe an rc1 around the end of
November, schedualing a release for January 1st or there abouts ...

I am afraid you may be correct. It bothers me that we will spend
another two months doing little but waiting, and considering post-final,
there could be three months of downtime here. Yuck.

Folks, can we shorten this up?

In the past we've usually targeted a one-month beta cycle, haven't we?
Often it took longer, but with so few trouble reports I can't see a
justification for suddenly changing the target to ten weeks.

I would almost say that we could plan to do beta2 this week, rc1 the
week of Thanksgiving, and final about Dec 1 (barring major trouble
reports of course).

But ... there are a couple of flies in the ointment. One is that with
the kinks still not completely worked out of the new server setup,
I don't have much confidence that there are really a lot of people doing
beta testing. (If Marc ever put out an actual announcement of beta1,
I didn't get it. And we know some people have been unable to download
the beta.) The other is that with the holiday season coming up, many
people will have less spare time than usual to spend on Postgres. So
maybe Marc's unaggressive schedule proposal is appropriate.

On the whole, though, I agree with Bruce. We've been in "almost beta"
mode for two months now, we shouldn't need another two months to get to
release.

regards, tom lane

"Matthew T. O'Connor" <matthew@zeut.net> writes:

In addition to my previous post, I have been trying unsuccessfully for the
last 10 - 15 mintues to find somewhere that I can download the beta software
from.

Try ftp://ftp.us.postgresql.org/beta/

ftp.postgresql.org is at it's user limit and the message references
the mirror list found at
http://www.postgresql.org/sites.html
However when I go to this link I am redirected to
http://www.postgresql.org/

Hmm, you're right; the index-of-mirrors page has disappeared from view.
Vince, can you straighten this out?

regards, tom lane

On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Matthew T. O'Connor wrote:

On Saturday 03 November 2001 07:51 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

I don't think so ... let's talk beta2 in mid November, with a much broader
announcement then just -hackers, with maybe an rc1 around the end of
November, schedualing a release for January 1st or there abouts ...

FYI, I went to the developers page on the web site and clicked on the link
"Beta versions of PostgreSQL". That took me to
http://developer.postgresql.org/beta.php which said, "No beta software
currently available" Since beta 1 has been released, is the site just out of
date, or is it intentionally not listed there?

None of the above, I forgot to uncomment the listing in the php code!
It's there now.

Vince.
--
==========================================================================
Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net
56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking
Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com
Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com
==========================================================================

On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Matthew T. O'Connor wrote:

On Saturday 03 November 2001 07:51 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

I don't think so ... let's talk beta2 in mid November, with a much broader
announcement then just -hackers, with maybe an rc1 around the end of
November, schedualing a release for January 1st or there abouts ...

Few ppl ever jump onto Beta1 of anything ... there have been some changes
since Beta, so a Beta2 is warranted ... rc1 is when we've always stated
that we are confident with it for release, so that more ppl start to jump
on ...

In addition to my previous post, I have been trying unsuccessfully for the
last 10 - 15 mintues to find somewhere that I can download the beta software
from. ftp.postgresql.org is at it's user limit and the message references
the mirror list found at

http://www.postgresql.org/sites.html

However when I go to this link I am redirected to

http://www.postgresql.org/

The machine the database is on doesn't appear to be available. I guess
things will be disrupted until the game of musical machines is over :(

Vince.
--
==========================================================================
Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net
56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking
Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com
Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com
==========================================================================

We have a place where we can report platforms which pass the regression
tests, called the "Regression Test Database" :

http://developer.postgresql.org/regress/

Sure, can this list be reset for 7.2b1?

- Brandon

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
c: 646-456-5455 h: 201-798-4983
b. palmer, bpalmer@crimelabs.net pgp:crimelabs.net/bpalmer.pgp5

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Justin Clift wrote:

"Matthew T. O'Connor" wrote:

<snip>

http://www.postgresql.org/sites.html

Just tried this link (using Netscape) and got a :

Not Found

The requested URL /css/depts.css was not found on this server.

Seems to be a missing CSS. :(

fixed. lynx seems to be acting differently than it was before and rather
than doing a redirect it's downloading the redirected source.

Vince.
--
==========================================================================
Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net
56K Nationwide Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking
Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com
Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com
==========================================================================

In the past we've usually targeted a one-month beta cycle, haven't we?
Often it took longer, but with so few trouble reports I can't see a
justification for suddenly changing the target to ten weeks.

That was my reading of events.

I would almost say that we could plan to do beta2 this week, rc1 the
week of Thanksgiving, and final about Dec 1 (barring major trouble
reports of course).

It would be great if we could do this. If there were server problems,
that would be a good reason to get those all ironed out, if they aren't
already, and announce a big beta2, and tell people they have ~1 week and
if we don't hear anything, we are going RC1. That will get their
attention. :-)

But ... there are a couple of flies in the ointment. One is that with
the kinks still not completely worked out of the new server setup,
I don't have much confidence that there are really a lot of people doing
beta testing. (If Marc ever put out an actual announcement of beta1,
I didn't get it. And we know some people have been unable to download
the beta.) The other is that with the holiday season coming up, many
people will have less spare time than usual to spend on Postgres. So
maybe Marc's unaggressive schedule proposal is appropriate.

Actually, the Christmas holiday season is often busy with development,
especially the week between Christmas and New Years because most offices
are slow during the period. Also, lots of people like to upgrade during
that period for the same reason, which makes releaseing a final prior to
Christmas a double win -- we get development time and they can upgrade
during a slow period.

On the whole, though, I agree with Bruce. We've been in "almost beta"
mode for two months now, we shouldn't need another two months to get to
release.

In previois betas, we have had the occasional "Wow, I am glad that
didn't get into final" bugs, but I haven't seen _any_ yet and I am
doubting if I will.

-- 
  Bruce Momjian                        |  http://candle.pha.pa.us
  pgman@candle.pha.pa.us               |  (610) 853-3000
  +  If your life is a hard drive,     |  830 Blythe Avenue
  +  Christ can be your backup.        |  Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026

On Sunday 04 November 2001 01:08 pm, Bruce Momjian wrote:

In the past we've usually targeted a one-month beta cycle, haven't we?
Often it took longer, but with so few trouble reports I can't see a
justification for suddenly changing the target to ten weeks.

That was my reading of events.

I am concerned in that I have yet to receive a request for RPMs of the beta.

In previous release cycles, those requests have come hot and heavy shortly
after the beta announcements. Unless the interest in RPM has drastically
reduced in the last couple of months, my gut feel is that our beta1 has had
very little exposure outside this list -- and the netizens of this list
aren't typically RPM addicts.

I have not had time in the past couple of weeks to do much with them, though.
Looking for a break in the action this week, hopefully.

I would, however, guard against rushing a release -- we _do_ have a 'solid
release' reputation to protect.
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11

Lamar Owen <lamar.owen@wgcr.org> writes:

... my gut feel is that our beta1 has had
very little exposure outside this list

Probably not, considering it has not been announced anywhere outside
this list. Ahem.

Since we've made a number of fixes in the past two weeks, I think
our next step should be to roll a beta2, and then actually announce it
[as in pgsql-announce]. We can argue more about schedule after that's
been out for a week or so.

Anyone have stuff that they need to get in there before beta2?

regards, tom lane

But ... there are a couple of flies in the ointment. One is that with
the kinks still not completely worked out of the new server setup,
I don't have much confidence that there are really a lot of people doing
beta testing. (If Marc ever put out an actual announcement of beta1,
I didn't get it. And we know some people have been unable to download
the beta.) The other is that with the holiday season coming up, many
people will have less spare time than usual to spend on Postgres. So
maybe Marc's unaggressive schedule proposal is appropriate.

I never got a beta notification, it's not mentioned on the PostgreSQL page,
and I personally have no idea from where to download it. I looked though
the Australian mirror FTP site, but I could find no trace of a beta
download.

Chris